The Tesla Thread
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I love it. Just watched the video and really like it. The interior looks good. I don't like the cocoon feeling of the picture above so the Tesla interior looks good. White would definitly be off the list though. Cream, Brown or black. But not white.
Soldato
Interesting all the comments on the interior, but no-one else mentioning the awful boot aperture???
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Its a saloon boot aperture. It's a shame I guess but by no means a nightmare. Getting the bikes on a roof rack might be interesting though!
So, you can have this:
Or this:
I know which I would choose.
After the lovely interior of the Model S and X I just think it looks dull, and lazy.
Even the man sat in the car in that shot looks exceedingly unhappy with the interior design.
If it's comfortable then sure. The whole point is its not supposed to be 'another' car. It's supposed to feel like another generation ahead, its supposed to different. The simplicity combined with the silent performance will be quite impressive I'm certain.
Its not about how often. If you do it once, that's enough for it to be a problem.
How many people can say with absolute certainty that they will never drive more than 200 miles in a day?
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Only if its your only car. For many people, a decent EV will be one of two cars in a household - the other suited for those 200+ mile trips everyone apparently takes every other day whenever EV's are discussed.
Few households have only one car.
That's kind of my point though. You can have an EV that does 99% of your drives, and then another petrol car for the other 1%.
But the petrol car could do the 99% the EV does too. So why have both?
We have 2 cars, and my GFs is used almost exclusively for <50 miles a day of commuting and business mileage, while every long journey and all weekends are done in mine. At first look that seems an ideal EV situation.
But I remember that last year she drove to Birmingham once for a training course in her car as I had mine for work. She couldn't have done that if she had an EV.
If an EV always needs to be an additional car, it's never going to succeed. If you have 2 cars can you absolutely with confidence confirm that both cars will never ever do 200+ miles each on the same day?
Its not about "200+ mile trips every other day", its about "200+ mile trips ever".
But the petrol car could do the 99% the EV does too. So why have both?
We have 2 cars, and my GFs is used almost exclusively for <50 miles a day of commuting and business mileage, while every long journey and all weekends are done in mine. At first look that seems an ideal EV situation.
But I remember that last year she drove to Birmingham once for a training course in her car as I had mine for work. She couldn't have done that if she had an EV.
If an EV always needs to be an additional car, it's never going to succeed. If you have 2 cars can you absolutely with confidence confirm that both cars will never ever do 200+ miles each on the same day?
Its not about "200+ mile trips every other day", its about "200+ mile trips ever".
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I fail to see why it would be a problem if they can deliver a robust charging network. You do circa 200 miles, and fast charge it while you have a break for 30-40 minutes then you continue on your journey.
I probably only do that kind of trip once or twice a year, the rest of my driving is a 50 mile round trip commute.
I probably only do that kind of trip once or twice a year, the rest of my driving is a 50 mile round trip commute.
What if you want to do a 200 mile trip to somewhere that doesn't have a fast charger?
Which at the moment, is pretty much most places.
Edit: In anticipation of the inevitable arrival of the illiterate ****, I just want to clarify my position. Electric motors are the future, I am totally in support of them, they are infinitely superior to ICE's. Batteries however, are not. They will never offer the convenience and energy density of petrol/diesel/other such fuels. So the ideal situation is the ability to fill a car with a "fuel" that is as convenient as petrol, but that powers the car through electric motors.
What that is, I don't know. But in the mean time the drawbacks of current EVs vastly outweigh the benefits. Basically, they need to either be cheaper or better than the alternatives, and currently they are neither.
Which at the moment, is pretty much most places.
Edit: In anticipation of the inevitable arrival of the illiterate ****, I just want to clarify my position. Electric motors are the future, I am totally in support of them, they are infinitely superior to ICE's. Batteries however, are not. They will never offer the convenience and energy density of petrol/diesel/other such fuels. So the ideal situation is the ability to fill a car with a "fuel" that is as convenient as petrol, but that powers the car through electric motors.
What that is, I don't know. But in the mean time the drawbacks of current EVs vastly outweigh the benefits. Basically, they need to either be cheaper or better than the alternatives, and currently they are neither.
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The list of current supercharging sites is already quite impressive. If they continue at this pace I can't see this being a genuine problem. Perhaps right now, but not in a few years time.
They just took 200,000 pre orders in 24 hours. If they can reach their 500,000 annual aim of production you can be sure the charging infrastructure will be in place.
They just took 200,000 pre orders in 24 hours. If they can reach their 500,000 annual aim of production you can be sure the charging infrastructure will be in place.
or supercharger, or other public charger. there's 20 charging sites in the centre of Birmingham. so it depends how many more miles on top of the 200 you need, and how long the meeting is.
some charge points you can even book ahead if time.
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Soldato
So driving in near silence costing 3-4p/mile in fuel is only 1% compared to an ICE which is always intrusive costing anything from 10-15p/mile in fuel, then let's get on to the performance, instant torque, instant throttle response and acceleration figures that similar ICE cars cannot hope to match. Yeah, 1%
There are already Superchargers in Birmingham so it would have been the perfect location
As Telsa has clearly stated they want to expand their network and if they target motorway service stations and main roads for most people they would work very well. Or you could just hire a car for those very limited situations. It's like saying I don't want to own an Elise because once a year I drive to the south of France on the motorway and it's not very good at that. The pros far outweigh the limited cons, especially for people who can afford to drop £35k on a new car.
Ok, seeing as you guys have raised it, lets talk Superchargers.
So the headlines say 170 miles charge in 30 minutes. Sounds great. And people are quick to throw these figures around whenever they are defending "EVs" in general. But there are a couple of points worth noting..
1) Most people can't use them. The majority of EVs on the road aren't Teslas.
2) The 170 miles in 30 minutes stat comes from a 120kW Super Charger. But scanning around the Tesla website quite a few look to be the slower 50kW units. So that would only charge at 70 miles per 30 minutes.
The Super Charger solution is all a little bit smoke and mirrors, which is true of a lot of what Tesla does.
Not everyone will get a Tesla. Infact most people with EVs wont have a Tesla. So cherry picking the top level headline marketing snippets from Tesla and then using them as a way to defend the entire EV ecosystem as a whole doesn't work. It would be like making a case for petrol cars by using LaFerrari and P1 stats and stating that "petrol cars have 900bhp and do 0-60 in 3 seconds".
Edit: Hmm... zap-map.com 'conveniently' just lists "50kW+" as a filter, so I can't actually see how many 120kW chargers there are. Anyone know where you could find that out?
Edit2: All the Tesla specific chargers in the UK are 120kW. So there are currently 32, but it confirms that the "oh just use a Super Charger and get 170 mile range while you have a coffee" argument is exclusively available just to Tesla S, X and 3 owners.
So the headlines say 170 miles charge in 30 minutes. Sounds great. And people are quick to throw these figures around whenever they are defending "EVs" in general. But there are a couple of points worth noting..
1) Most people can't use them. The majority of EVs on the road aren't Teslas.
2) The 170 miles in 30 minutes stat comes from a 120kW Super Charger. But scanning around the Tesla website quite a few look to be the slower 50kW units. So that would only charge at 70 miles per 30 minutes.
The Super Charger solution is all a little bit smoke and mirrors, which is true of a lot of what Tesla does.
Not everyone will get a Tesla. Infact most people with EVs wont have a Tesla. So cherry picking the top level headline marketing snippets from Tesla and then using them as a way to defend the entire EV ecosystem as a whole doesn't work. It would be like making a case for petrol cars by using LaFerrari and P1 stats and stating that "petrol cars have 900bhp and do 0-60 in 3 seconds".
Edit: Hmm... zap-map.com 'conveniently' just lists "50kW+" as a filter, so I can't actually see how many 120kW chargers there are. Anyone know where you could find that out?
Edit2: All the Tesla specific chargers in the UK are 120kW. So there are currently 32, but it confirms that the "oh just use a Super Charger and get 170 mile range while you have a coffee" argument is exclusively available just to Tesla S, X and 3 owners.
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Soldato
Still don't understand all this chat about EVs. Rarely does anyone make any sense talking 200mile+ trips? Use this cheaper model 3, or if your so special get a model S or if you don't want a EV don't buy one.
99% of the driving in an petrol rather than an EV? Have you driven an EV?!?
99% of the driving in an petrol rather than an EV? Have you driven an EV?!?
It was badly worded. I should have said the EV covers 99% of your needs.
I.e. an EV could replace a petrol car for 99% of your journeys. The key point being it can't fully replace a petrol car.
Soldato
But we're not talking about EVs in general, we're talking about the just announced Tesla Model 3 which by your own admission will have access to 170 mile chargers in 30 minutes and so far in the UK we've got the lovely 120kW chargers and Tesla have plenty of time to massively expand the network before the Model 3 gets here in 2018. That's before you begin to consider location charging which is expanding (can you fill your car with fuel from your office whilst you are sat at work?) and the existing and quickly expanding Rapid charge network which can give you 80 miles in 30 minutes.
We're not talking about where EVs are today (and as a Zoe owner I am very aware of the advantages and limitations), we're talking about where Tesla can take it in 2018 and that makes me rather excited
That doesn't stop people using Tesla specific points to try and make the case for EVs in general.
You did it yourself when you suggested my GF driving to Birmingham wouldn't have been a problem as they have Super Chargers. For between normal use of 20 and 50 miles a day in what is our second car, if she had an EV it most certainly wouldn't be a Tesla! It would be something like a Leaf, which can't use Super Chargers, so wouldn't have been able to have been driven to Birmingham in 1 day.
Most EV owners won't own Teslas, yet most defence among the EV community of EVs will use very Tesla specific points.
You did it yourself when you suggested my GF driving to Birmingham wouldn't have been a problem as they have Super Chargers. For between normal use of 20 and 50 miles a day in what is our second car, if she had an EV it most certainly wouldn't be a Tesla! It would be something like a Leaf, which can't use Super Chargers, so wouldn't have been able to have been driven to Birmingham in 1 day.
Most EV owners won't own Teslas, yet most defence among the EV community of EVs will use very Tesla specific points.
I don't really get your thinking here. It's incredibly early days for EV's, the whole situation will change within the next five years. The 30kw leaf is 25k...I think I would rather have the sub six second model 3 for that money....which is the car we are all talking about here. Seems odd to then say some of us are using tesla points...it's a tesla thread!