It's pointless putting anything else other than a 3 pin plug/2.4kw charger at those kind of places because you know the car is going to be there for 8-10 hours so you might as well just chuck in a charger that is cheaper and slower. You can then fit more of them.
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It's pointless putting anything else other than a 3 pin plug/2.4kw charger at those kind of places because you know the car is going to be there for 8-10 hours so you might as well just chuck in a charger that is cheaper and slower. You can then fit more of them.
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Moved? The R50 was there like original mini.
My parents 2004 x trail is a central cluster.
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By the time it arrives it'll hopefully be a really complete product with any niggles ironed out. I think that a lot of people who are currently in 3 series, A4, C Class etc would fit the car perfectly. Especially if all they care about it having a nice place to be and for it to be 'premium'.
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I think it can be agreed that having the speedo in the middle isn't a problem. I had a R50 Mini and you get used to it incredibly quickly. I really don't think it's a safety issue.
You do remember that historically that men's insurance premiums are far higher than women's because they are higher risk for binning cars...
How often do female drivers make the news because they binned their Ferrari 2 hours after they picked it up?
How often do you find yourself needing to correct a spin while driving... sounds like your doing it wrong
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Maybe not but in conventional cars you have other reference points, i.e. engine note and rev counter (in eyeline) which you won't have in the Model 3.
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That's right, or start to charge idle fees like what Tesla are doing:
https://cleantechnica.com/2016/12/1...ee-discourage-bad-behavior-elontweets-update/
Having read some of the write ups there seems to be some interesting ways they have done a few things such as the HVAC system. There seems to be one passenger facing vent that runs the width of the car and you can use the touch screen to direct the flow of air and which parts of the vent are open (there are other vents such as demist etc).
Doesn't look like there are any buttons for electric windows and they are controlled by the screen.
The two scroll wheels on the steering wheel spin in all directions and are fully programmable to what you want.
Leg room in the back was enough for tall adults in the front and back at the same time. The frunk could fit a carry on suitcase and is weatherproof, the trunk is a decent size but has the access restrictions you would expect not being a hatch back.
The screen its self is very visible for the driver and any passengers. The map is visible at all times and any UI elements overlay over the top.
All the materials in the cabin felt good but all the cars seen had the premium interior. The seats, dash and headliner are all upgraded in that pack. The body is aluminium but it is expected the chassis is steal.
Not surprisingly given who was at the event were all staff or youtube 'fanboys' the general opinions of the car was very high. It was pretty much as it was at the original reveal apart from a few tweaks. There is a lot of pictures and a write up on Motor Trend to look at. All cars shown were ~$49k, 'long range version' premium upgrade package, 19" wheels.
Doesn't look like there are any buttons for electric windows and they are controlled by the screen.
The two scroll wheels on the steering wheel spin in all directions and are fully programmable to what you want.
Leg room in the back was enough for tall adults in the front and back at the same time. The frunk could fit a carry on suitcase and is weatherproof, the trunk is a decent size but has the access restrictions you would expect not being a hatch back.
The screen its self is very visible for the driver and any passengers. The map is visible at all times and any UI elements overlay over the top.
All the materials in the cabin felt good but all the cars seen had the premium interior. The seats, dash and headliner are all upgraded in that pack. The body is aluminium but it is expected the chassis is steal.
Not surprisingly given who was at the event were all staff or youtube 'fanboys' the general opinions of the car was very high. It was pretty much as it was at the original reveal apart from a few tweaks. There is a lot of pictures and a write up on Motor Trend to look at. All cars shown were ~$49k, 'long range version' premium upgrade package, 19" wheels.
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So tempted to put a deposit on one still but then I keep thinking I should have done it straight away... Obviously can't change that now.
Has anyone else put a deposit on since the handover?
Has anyone else put a deposit on since the handover?
Yes but men like to drive performance cars and take risks for example either racing each other or driving fast for pure enjoyment that is why statistically mens premiums are higher.You do remember that historically that men's insurance premiums are far higher than women's because they are higher risk for binning cars...
How often do female drivers make the news because they binned their Ferrari 2 hours after they picked it up?
How often do you find yourself needing to correct a spin while driving... sounds like your doing it wrong
And as for the Ferrari comment how many women own or can afford a Ferrari compared to men? its not exactly a car they go for whereas a 30k Tesla will be if it comes out on the pay monthly and the government start forcing people to buy electric cars.
Its not about being sexist but most women are terrible drivers its just a fact. I have never been in a car with a good female driver. They always have terrible clutch control, ride on the bumper of the car in front, short attention span and 0% awareness.They also seem to have the most stupid crashes that you look at and think how the hell is that even possible!
I commute on a busy motorway each morning to work and the last 5 times i have been stuck in traffic due to an accident its been female drivers involved when i have seen it in the paper. Its not all the men in there German cars doing 90 in the outside lane its women in the inside lane cutting people up. One of them managed to roll a 80bhp Corsa onto its roof! Now how the hell do you roll an 80hp car on a dry motorway driving in a straight line? I have lost count how many women i have also seen taking selfies and driving along with tablets against the wheel of a morning. I could go on...
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i think this says more about the kind of women you hang around with than women in general
i could say the same things you do about 17 year old lads in chavved out corsas/polos/306's and the occasional one with richer parents with his decked golf/passat
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My dad has a Vauxhall Ampera, so not exactly the pinnacle of hybrid/EV tech but here's a few figures..
He lives outside of Leeds and has a 12 mile each way commute into the centre of Leeds.
Trip computer A is on 300 miles with 0.0 gal fuel use.
Trip computer B is on 600 miles with 1.7 gal fuel use, and that's only from a lack of planning regarding charging points at one destination.
Lifetime average over almost 35k miles is 105mpg. This includes several trips across Europe using it almost solely as a normal petrol car which has probably cut that average in half.
As a commuter tool and for the vast majority of personal use if it had been an electric only car it would have been perfectly fine and most days wouldn't need charging throughout the day.
Electric is so easily conceivable as the future for so many people. Yes for people who do 50k a year it may not be viable in its current form but there isn't a single person in my office for example who wouldn't be able to use even a poverty spec EV to commute.
Why there isn't more forethought about implementing this tech I don't know. It should be mandatory for developers to install solar panels on all new build houses for instance.
He lives outside of Leeds and has a 12 mile each way commute into the centre of Leeds.
Trip computer A is on 300 miles with 0.0 gal fuel use.
Trip computer B is on 600 miles with 1.7 gal fuel use, and that's only from a lack of planning regarding charging points at one destination.
Lifetime average over almost 35k miles is 105mpg. This includes several trips across Europe using it almost solely as a normal petrol car which has probably cut that average in half.
As a commuter tool and for the vast majority of personal use if it had been an electric only car it would have been perfectly fine and most days wouldn't need charging throughout the day.
Electric is so easily conceivable as the future for so many people. Yes for people who do 50k a year it may not be viable in its current form but there isn't a single person in my office for example who wouldn't be able to use even a poverty spec EV to commute.
Why there isn't more forethought about implementing this tech I don't know. It should be mandatory for developers to install solar panels on all new build houses for instance.
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The point is petrol is very cheap it is just taxed to the hilt. The same will eventually happen to electricity so it will not be cheaper. Then you need to take into account the amount of pollution it will take to make the batteries and dispose of them. Then on top of that you have to improve the grid ten fold to keep up with demand. It seems to me we are taking the pollution from cars and just moving it somewhere else.
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It was just an observation of what had been said rather than my opinion on anything.
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I thought the batteries were like 98% recyclable?
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Nothing like a massive exaggeration, is there?
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I actually think electricity will only get cheaper, as more and more green energy types become available, solar/wind with battery storage for example, or using battery power from cars plugged in during peak times. Electricity will be cleaner and more readily available in the future. There won't be a need for dirty coal power or toxic nuclear as we learn the harness the power of the sun better.
And for those that think solar would never work properly in the uk because we don't get enough sun. Solar panels work just fine without direct sunlight. Yes they are better with it, but they still function fine without.
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They are recycled, the model S batteries should last well over 20 years assuming they are rarely charged to 100%, by that time the car would have been replaced anyway.
OK had rather than moved. The point was however that the BMW mini (and many other cars it seems) have the speedo on the centre console and the people driving them aren't crashing everytime they have to look at them.
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Maybe so, but they've still got to pretty much make all the batteries we need to replace all petrol/diesel engined vehicles. Though I suppose the good news is the environmental damage will likely be mostly contained to China where they don't really care about open cast mining and dirty refining!