The Tesla Thread

Indeed, I had looked that up - below from browser history, and tesla s (although it has subsequenyly had some mods) was worse than 2012 bm 3 series

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Journey said:
Kona and Niro do 300 miles at less than 30k with the 64KWh pack, Kona is available now, Niro in a couple of months. Not as fancy as the Tesla granted but they are nice cars at an affordable price, Tesla need to boost supply to Europe faster or they'll get left behind I fear.
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Hyundai are currently building 4,600 Konas per month for the global market, well in excess of their original 30,000 per year target.

Tesla are building 15,000-20,000 Model 3's per month for the US market.

The closest comparison to the M3 (in production volumes) is the Nissan Leaf. Nissan are targeting 10,000 units per month globally.

If there's no production ramp to cater for new markets, Tesla will still keep pace in to 2019. If there is, then they should stay well ahead of the competition.
 
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satchef1 said:
The closest comparison to the M3 (in production volumes) is the Nissan Leaf. Nissan are targeting 10,000 units per month globally.
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For reference, I think Nissan currently has the capacity to produce 250,000 Leafs a year (across its sites in Smyrna, Sunderland and Oppama); that was its production target in 2014, too, but I think the weak Yen and comparatively high cost caused it problems. It does expect the current production levels gradually increase, mind. :)
 
Nissan have built around 380,000 Leafs to date (since 2010). 2018 sales will be 80,000-90,000, depending on how strong the last couple of months are, making it the best year yet. They are a long way from 250,000 units per year. Like most established auto manufacturers, they are being somewhat cautious. I'm sure they can build that number (assuming they can get hold of enough batteries). But it's unlikely that they will any time soon.
 
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satchef1 said:
I'm sure they can build that number (assuming they can get hold of enough batteries). But it's unlikely that they will any time soon.
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Yes, sorry, that was what I was getting at – it has the production capacity but the demand has never matched it, reportedly. Ghosn (heh) hoped it'd building 250,000 by 2014 but it never happened as sales just weren't that high.

I think Nissan built its own batteries up until recently (but I'm not sure where the cells came from, if they were sourced elsewhere) but they come from a Chinese company called CATL now and maybe LG? I recall reading a story about it but that might be in the company's future plans. :)
 
I think first leaf has NEC modules, not sure of the chemistry.

Main thing that OEMs have to deal with is existing pensions... hence a degree of consideration with their coins.
 
Lashout_UK said:
Yes, sorry, that was what I was getting at – it has the production capacity but the demand has never matched it, reportedly. Ghosn (heh) hoped it'd building 250,000 by 2014 but it never happened as sales just weren't that high.

I think Nissan built its own batteries up until recently (but I'm not sure where the cells came from, if they were sourced elsewhere) but they come from a Chinese company called CATL now and maybe LG? I recall reading a story about it but that might be in the company's future plans. :)
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Nissan still builds and uses its own batteries, through AESC (a partnership between Nissan and NEC). They're currently in the process of selling the business to a Chinese firm.

There was a rumour they were going to move to LG Chem cells for the new Leaf. But it didn't happen. Presumably they saw LG's supply problems and decided it was better to stick to AESC for now. It's the lack of batteries that's limiting production for most manufacturers (and is likely the ceiling for Nissan too, hence the 6-9 month wait time for a new Leaf).
 
No access to the configurator for me yet. Although going from the above it confirms what we thought earlier. LR is out of reach, in part due to it being AWD only. Adding a hefty lump to the price.
 
At £52k+ or even £45k+, I think ill be passing on this. Appreciate it doesn't necessarily have the same benefits, but id rather pick up a 440i Gran Coupe for £37kish. Not sure where they think they're targeting it.

Be interesting to see if the low cost model ever actually appears. Particularly givn the news around cost to produce currently.
 
Phate said:
No access to the configurator for me yet. Although going from the above it confirms what we thought earlier. LR is out of reach, in part due to it being AWD only. Adding a hefty lump to the price.
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IIRC AWD was a $5000 option. The LR also comes with the PUP as standard too now, which was also a $3000 option originally I think, so that's $80000 of "options" on the price. If they ever go back to actually having those options, rather than as "standard", then you're down to 50,000 euros for the LR?
 
Amp34 said:
IIRC AWD was a $5000 option. The LR also comes with the PUP as standard too now, which was also a $3000 option originally I think, so that's $80000 of "options" on the price. If they ever go back to actually having those options, rather than as "standard", then you're down to 50,000 euros for the LR?
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Indeed.

But they're going for profitability, I get it.

For me, a medium range should be fine. 260 miles range (probably longer with the new battery design due to it being lighter) and single engine also. That SHOULD be in the mid 40s. But we'll see. I did get an email from Tesla today to say that I will be able to place my order by the end of the year. When I get it I'll just set "hold my place" and mess around with the configurator in the meantime. Still months off having a company car allowance and I can't afford it otherwise :)
 
Not sure about that. There's a $7000 difference between the Mid range and the LR in the US, so considering the 58k euro price for the LR, you're probably looking at 50k IMO, perhaps 48-49k if they're generous.
 
Minus incentive, which I think is 2000-2,500

Either way. Regardless of price its going through work if its doable, so ultimately, its down to my company :p

If I can't get it, I'll likely look at the new Leaf.
 
gov cash back should be 3.5k currently. Im hoping to go stand range with PUP and Autopilot summer 19.. fingers crossed & hoping it will be under 40k at the end of the day.
 
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