Soldato
Well said mate.
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Well said mate.
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Whats that got to do with anything?
Not really, its stating the obvious and has nothing to do with our, or any other countries situation. It would be like me pointing out that whilst I wasn't against nuclear weapons, I would be against someone hitting my house with one.
Soldato
Well in my work (NHS) there is a policy of employment that is representative of the community regardless of actual skills This basically means being taken on on the basis of race/cultural background.
Maybe i'm wrong but that IS what they do and its wrong and its discrimination.
More recently we have had an influx of polish people to some departments (not doctors i'll say that!) I dont really care except their english is not the best.... hey ho thats life in the UK?
Caporegime
Your arrogance is truly astounding.
Caporegime
Come to the Black Country; most of the locals can't speak English properly - and they're white!
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Man of Honour
I'm surprised at the lack of outright racist or degrading comments! Is this GD?! Is this OcUK? Of course all the Right-Wing ignorant twits come out of the woodwork but there seems to be a much more liberal attitude going on here. I am pleased by this.
I'm afraid the petty narrow minded self righteous arrogant and ignorant views of a lot of people will slowly disappear and when that does a lot of the issues/problems associated with such people will go. The UK is changing, get over it - if you don't like it then tough.
I'm afraid the petty narrow minded self righteous arrogant and ignorant views of a lot of people will slowly disappear and when that does a lot of the issues/problems associated with such people will go. The UK is changing, get over it - if you don't like it then tough.
Caporegime
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It's ones fear of being branded a bigot that prevents this country from having serious debate on the merits of recent mass-immigration.
Overcrowding, lack of social cohesion, 'no-go areas' in British cities, increases in gun and violent crime, housing shortages, religious extremism, overstretched public services... I suppose all of these potentially burgeoning problems are the result of the bigoted mentality of white Brits?
I am pro immigration, but I feel that it's been handled in a very unmeasured and self-destructive fashion in the last few years. You might find it difficult to believe, but some people's concerns aren't born from the odd notion of keeping 'Britain for the Brits', but instead from pragmatism and the ideal of maintaining the standard of living we have this country. If you don't wish to accept this a legitimate view point, then tough yourself.
Overcrowding, lack of social cohesion, 'no-go areas' in British cities, increases in gun and violent crime, housing shortages, religious extremism, overstretched public services... I suppose all of these potentially burgeoning problems are the result of the bigoted mentality of white Brits?
I am pro immigration, but I feel that it's been handled in a very unmeasured and self-destructive fashion in the last few years. You might find it difficult to believe, but some people's concerns aren't born from the odd notion of keeping 'Britain for the Brits', but instead from pragmatism and the ideal of maintaining the standard of living we have this country. If you don't wish to accept this a legitimate view point, then tough yourself.
Man of Honour
I'm happy mate, I've got multiple nationalities and can change to any one of them whenever I want. I happen to be in the UK now and enjoy being here and am probably more British than most so called "Brits". I don't mind people having a legitimate point of view, in fact I thought yours was fairly poignant and well presented, however one I think I don't enjoy is the sweeping comments and irrational one liners that do nothing to address the issues or potential problems.
I'm all for a good standard of living, though maybe I don't see it quite as a lot of people see it being fortunate enough to have a good quality of life - a little ostrich-like perhaps and I'll admit that maybe I'm not as in touch with the word on the street as I used to be. I don't know how to resolve the no-go areas, and the increases in crime and gang culture. I really don't know. All that people say are hear-say as far as I'm concerned, it's not the fault of white/black/asian/any type of background, it's a fault of the country as a whole, or it's management of it. There seems to be a growing apathy and discontent maybe even a type of boredom among the "working class" (I hate that description but it's one that is unilaterally understood & accepted) that causes some of the issues, and the overly focused view of the government and not looking at a bigger picture. IT's the typical British attitude, fix the problem and not address why the problem exists in the first place. They rely on patch work, rather than ripping out the dead wood and lining up proper foundations to build on again. Unfortunately we've gone too far and at this rate we're going to go into a bit of meltdown. It's a shame because this country could be the best country in the world - heck I love it here enough to want to stay here, but I know I have some backup plans if this place turns to crap. I'm genuinely worried about the attitudes, the work ethic, the interpersonal/intercultural relationships that are starting to fail, the lack of cohesion and the increased in animosity and antagonism between people in general. The problem doesn't lie with immigrants it lies within each individual of this country,
Remember I come (principally) from a country where we have a bigger immigration problem than here in the UK. Our colonies are almost bordering our country (N.Africa), so it's so much easier for them to pop over, and since they are part of our "sovereignty" there's little we can do. Unemployment in France is high, taxes are high, and the social gap between the rich and the poor is quite noticeable, however the quality of life is still relatively good. Population density has something to do with it, and since France is twice the size but has the same population as the UK it "feels" less crowded and claustrophobic.
I understand the fear the Brits have, but being overly negative and whinging about it (I know it's in our nature) is not going to resolve the issue, addressing it in a proactive and in a more pragmatic way is the answer - not just dealing with it in an aggressive non-tolerant manner.
Caporegime
Nonsense. The debate can - and has been - conducted freely and openly. It is precisely because of this that the UK government has recently adopted the "points-based" immigration system which they copied from my own country (Australia).
No, but they are not solely the result of immigration, either.
I agree. I was quite staggered when I came to this country and learned what a mess your immigration system was in. I am glad that Labour has followed Australia's lead and changed to a more sensible model.
I think we all understand this perfectly well. However, it is not the argument used by most of the anti-immigration crowd on this thread.
Man of Honour
You did a much better job of replying to his post Mr Evangelion - thanks! I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Caporegime
Thanks mate.
If anyone's seriously interested in the immigration debate, I strongly recommend a visit to MigrationWatch UK. They do get a bit of bad press from the cardigan-wearing, Guardian-reading, lentil soup-eating Birkenstock brigade, but IMHO they offer a sensible and timely contribution to the issue. They also have a dossier of solid facts and statistics to support their case.
I am pro-immigration, but only if it is sensibly controlled. However, I also believe that Enoch Powell was wrong, and that not all social ills are the result of immigration.
I think that comes from the usual suspects being largely inactive or permabanned.
Man of Honour
Thank god for that eh? 
Man of Honour
Again I agree with you in your last paragraph, and let me just re-itterate the sensible controlling of immigration is the key - not the fact that immigration is happening, that is not the issue. Enoch Powell whilst perhaps a clever man, was very short sighted and somewhat old fashioned.Thanks mate.
If anyone's seriously interested in the immigration debate, I strongly recommend a visit to MigrationWatch UK. They do get a bit of bad press from the cardigan-wearing, Guardian-reading, lentil soup-eating Birkenstock brigade, but IMHO they offer a sensible and timely contribution to the issue. They also have a dossier of solid facts and statistics to support their case.
I am pro-immigration, but only if it is sensibly controlled. However, I also believe that Enoch Powell was wrong, and that not all social ills are the result of immigration.
Interesting link - I'll have a read.
I'm genuinely surprised too and quite pleased. I still keep expecting the Union Jack and braces brigade to come stomping in waving their copies of the Daily Mail but so far, they've been conspicuous by their absence.
Hopefully it's a sign that the country as a whole is ready to start a meaningful debate on immigration policy and come to an agreement that is mutually beneficial to all concerned.
Soldato