Poll: The Vega Review Thread.

[chrcoluk]

https://www.displayport.org/cables/how-to-choose-a-displayport-cable-and-not-get-a-bad-one/



Their certified list:

https://www.displayport.org/products-database/?products_category[]=cables-connectors&products_manufacturer=

I think this is the one I bought, but I don't seem to have any records of the purchase (which is odd, I keep everything...) It was £15.

https://www.accellcables.com/products/ultraav-displayport-to-displayport-version-1-2-cable

e: It was "Accell B088C-007B 6.6ft Ultra AV Display Port Cable" and it was £10, not £15

ok thanks bud will give it a go and let you know if it fixes the problem.

 

[FoxEye]

You don't need to spend that much - the Dell OEM cable works fine. I tried it with two different Nvidia cards(Maxwell and Pascal) and an AMD one(Polaris).

You can get them for £2.95 from a certain place.

Edit!!

Its a Displayport 1.2 cable if that helps. I use it on a Dell UP2516D.

Second Edit!!

The model number is CN507AA.

Again from displayport.org, in case anyone isn't aware...

Despite what you may read, there is no such thing as a DisplayPort 1.1 cable and DisplayPort 1.2 cable. A standard DisplayPort cable, including the so-call DisplayPort 1.1 cables, will work for any DisplayPort configuration including the new capabilities enabled by DisplayPort 1.2, including 4K and multi-stream capabilities. All standard DisplayPort cables support RBR, HBR (High Bit Rate), and HBR2 (High Bit Rate 2), which can support 4K at 60Hz, or up to four 1080p displays using multi-stream.

 

[lordhawkwind]

Nah, I just think AMD have released some absolute turds that only die-hard AMD superfans will be buying at their current LOL prices.

Smart money is on nV's next offerings, which will destroy Vega in both perf and perf/$.

I used to buy AMD GPUs btw. They've made me vehemently dislike them in the last 3 years. To the point where what they've released is so offensively ****, it will take a massive leap to pull me back from nV. AMD GPUs = garbage right now, and for the last couple years.

TBH stay with NVidia and pay the G-sync tax which adds another £200 to your over priced Nvidia 1180 mid range card which they'll replace in 6 months anyway. I'm sure Volta will destroy Vega but at what cost? Probably at £1,000 at least to start with so do you want one at that price. With no real competition with the 1080ti why would Nvidia price it lower. They've always pushed the envelope on price and screwed their own fan base so why change? Welcome to your future.

 

[Hotwired]

Replace one of the DP with DVI and everyone is happy are they not?

You underestimate how much space DVI needs.

It needs about 1.75x the width of the others so you need to dump 2 of the smaller sockets.

The ref cards need to support all the best features so it'll be down to the AIB's to support the old DVI.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Again from displayport.org, in case anyone isn't aware...

Its the standard cable shipped with Dell monitors - mine is an extended gamut 10 bit qHD monitor,and AFAIK the cable is designed to support upto 4K.

It has worked fine with three different generations of graphics card with my current monitor which I bought last year.

It is easy to get hold off,so worth a try for only a few quid.

 

[chrcoluk]

yeah I ordered the 2.99 one first, if that doesnt work will then try the £15 one, if both fail I think that makes it conclusive its my display, as it has been paired with both a gtx 970 and 1070 with same issue.

 

[FoxEye]

yeah I ordered the 2.99 one first, if that doesnt work will then try the £15 one, if both fail I think that makes it conclusive its my display, as it has been paired with both a gtx 970 and 1070 with same issue.

Good luck. It does sound like a common problem with dodgy DP cables, that a monitor won't wake from sleep, from the Googling I did when I had the same issue.

Never in my wildest dreams did I think that even el cheapo cable manufacturers could mess up something as simple as complying with the DP spec for pinouts... that really is impressive

 

[Razor Time]

Replace one of the DP with DVI and everyone is happy are they not?

check how many of these displays have DP.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/monitors/by-size/22-55.88cm

Just about every monitor either has DP or DVI, many dont have HDMI. Low end is dominated by DVI, highend by DP.

GPUs should offer choice, not concentrate on one type of user. Thats all I am saying, I have always seen multiple outputs on a GPU as to provide choice of technology rather than multi display.

My 1080Ti came with a DP to HDMI adapter. Therefore no issues with not having a DVI port on the gpu.

 

[ubersonic]

Odd in what sense?

Results are all over the place and look very very suspect. I.E they have the both the V56 and V64 at 30MHs, there is no way you will get a V64 that low unless you deliberately decrease it's power limit to silly low levels. Their RX580 is also way below par and their GTX1080 result is a complete joke (and to make it worse they have added farce to the fire by attempting to guesstimate the reason for it being below their GTX1070 result).

 

[ubersonic]

My 1080Ti came with a DP to HDMI adapter. Therefore no issues with not having a DVI port on the gpu.

Unless you have a high Hz monitor with only DVI input OFC.

 

[Razor Time]

Unless you have a high Hz monitor with only DVI input OFC.

Nah I dont.

 

[ubersonic]

Having only DP and HDMI enables the blower cooler to have a larger vent for hot air too:

In fairness you could just have a single connector row using DVI and mini-DP then bundle a mini-DP or DVI to HDMI adapter. Would cover more bases.

 

[silversurfer]

Does it have to be on the back even. HBM allows lots of space on the PCB to place a pin out and space for a lead to elsewhere, use another slot for that and keep the airflow straight out back at maximum.
I guess it cant make that much difference or it'd have been tried by now

So they pushing that for freesync then. What about people who dont care about freesync, sounds like they need a second SKU so people can choose (this goes for nvidia also).

Hopefully the AIB partners will see sense and readd DVI like they did with nvidia.

Thats what AIB is for, they'll cover DVI and AMD has their development strategies right or wrong

 

[Rroff]

Its just as capable as HDMI for video output so odd statement.

If anything on PC HDMI should go as it was designed for TVs.

Partly due to lack of development DVI doesn't support as high resolution/refresh as HDMI(2.0) and DP can do and stuck with a big connector.

I'm not a big fan of either HDMI (which doesn't seem to know what it is trying to be) or DP (still can be a bit glitchy) but the future is USB C size connectors that can do high bandwidth.

 

[Telecaster]

Results are all over the place and look very very suspect. I.E they have the both the V56 and V64 at 30MHs, there is no way you will get a V64 that low unless you deliberately decrease it's power limit to silly low levels. Their RX580 is also way below par and their GTX1080 result is a complete joke (and to make it worse they have added farce to the fire by attempting to guesstimate the reason for it being below their GTX1070 result).

The 1080 is renown for it's poor eth hashrate.

For the rest, my guess is they haven't dialled them in, just out-of-the-box figures, which seem about right to me.

 

[Rroff]

The 1080 is renown for it's poor eth hashrate.

For the rest, my guess is they haven't dialled them in, just out-of-the-box figures, which seem about right to me.

Yeah ETH seems to have some odd results with respect to very specific configurations of memory timing and bandwidth when the raw compute side is otherwise in the same ballpark.

 

[megatron]

ok thanks bud will give it a go and let you know if it fixes the problem.

I'll be needing to find this conversation when I get a freesync 2 monitor, bookmarked.

 

[andybird123]

Well yes and no, if it says pre order it means pre order, so can be ordered at that price in you will receive the GPU (in the case of the 56 apparently with around a 1 week delay at the moment apparently). If it was mareked as being "out of stock" then yes the price can't be applied. But yes for the person who wants to buy a GPU today, can't wait for whatever reason, the only choice in the 56 price bracket is the cheaper 1070. But then at 380£ for the ref blower 56 i'd buy an AIB 1070 (even a windforce at 400 for example)

The ocuk website usually says preorder when it runs out of stock. They dont have to actually honour the price if they run out of stock they can just say that product is no longer available at that price and give you your money back - which is what they did when the V 64 rebates ran out (and that is also currently listed as preorder when gibbo has already said they only had a handful available at the reduced price).

 

[andybird123]

TBH stay with NVidia and pay the G-sync tax which adds another £200 to your over priced Nvidia 1180 mid range card which they'll replace in 6 months anyway. I'm sure Volta will destroy Vega but at what cost? Probably at £1,000 at least to start with so do you want one at that price. With no real competition with the 1080ti why would Nvidia price it lower. They've always pushed the envelope on price and screwed their own fan base so why change? Welcome to your future.

And AMD have proven over the last few generations they have no intention to undercut nvidia on price/performance, so how does not buying nvidia help anything either? Which is better, paying extra for a monitor that you might replace every 5+years, or paying extra for every GPU upgrade every 1-2 years? For some people, actually having an upgrade path on a regular basis is seen as a good thing.

People seem to forget that right back to the 7970, when AMD had the faster card for a few months they priced it above nvidias highest pricing at the time. They also seem to want to ignore exchange rate as a factor in UK pricing.

 

[Martini1991]

The ocuk website usually says preorder when it runs out of stock. They dont have to actually honour the price if they run out of stock they can just say that product is no longer available at that price and give you your money back - which is what they did when the V 64 rebates ran out (and that is also currently listed as preorder when gibbo has already said they only had a handful available at the reduced price).

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapp...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-37m-sp.html
It doesn't always go pre-order.

Gibbo said that there's more stock available at that launch price.
Also, with the 64, the price went up within an hour of going on sale after the original stock sold out. Yes people did buy at a lower price and got cancelled, as they'd bought stock out of the allocated rebate ones.

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