Soldato
Well we do it with Nvidia and retailers all the time so....
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Poll: The Vega Review Thread.
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Well we do it with Nvidia and retailers all the time so....
Cards are reviewed at Launch price not where you like them to be in a few years time. Price vs performance.
If Vega was £200 the reviews would have been very different.
Soldato
Yeah really without going it to much as I am really not invested.
I am just saying this, Nvidia, AMD and retailers are all capable and have done shady things. It is what it is, no point getting too hung up on it. Prices will fall. Looking at VEGA pricing right now certain retailers have the cards priced an extra £50 or so on top of the 'higher' RRP. I mean what can you say. Who is the bad guy is this one?
Honestly think people should wait and vote with their wallets. Maybe things like this would one day stop.
I am just saying this, Nvidia, AMD and retailers are all capable and have done shady things. It is what it is, no point getting too hung up on it. Prices will fall. Looking at VEGA pricing right now certain retailers have the cards priced an extra £50 or so on top of the 'higher' RRP. I mean what can you say. Who is the bad guy is this one?
Honestly think people should wait and vote with their wallets. Maybe things like this would one day stop.
Bad guy is the one that told reviewers the price without telling them its a limited time deal price. And those reviewers basing price performance overall on that "special price" since they didnt know it was limited
Are you been obtuse on purpose. AMD send to reviewers the card with a stated price off 499, this infact is untrue as it is a limited rebated price. It actually costs 599, how is this the retailers fault or anyone else's but AMD's.
Supply and demand plus gouging is a separate issue to what we are talking about.
Soldato
Not really sure what you want from me xD
I guess I just don't care if they set a higher price. Where are the pitchforks for the retailers charging an extra £80ish on VEGA's in stock today. Do your financial morals only apply to one company?
Reviewers don't base their opinion based on price gouging by retailers. All the reviews based on the launch price are effectively null and void as it was really a 30 minute offer.
Wow. It's ok that you don't care. I can understand your perspective if all you look at is the money going out of your wallet, but equally can you see it from my perspective? That if a GPU should be £450 and is reviewed at £450, but later down the line unforeseen price rises in the supply chain mean that has to be increased, or there's price gouging by the retailers, then I accept that. I know that the price still should be £450, and I weigh up my purchase accordingly. That is very different to the case here where the price NEVER was £450. They simply sold a few at a low price to game the system.
Couldn't agree more
Reviews are based performance vs price.
Vega64 at £450 isn't too bad. Not great by any means but not bad.
Obviously the more expensive it gets the worse the product price/performance starts to become.
@boomsticks it's no good saying the price will drop, it will eventually yes but performance has to be reviewed now based on RRP price. Even if retailers gouge it will still be reviewed based on RRP price.
For example no one is saying an rx580 is bad value at £450 because we know that's not its RRP and was simply a mining price gouge.
Caporegime
I don't think reviews need to be redone, it's just being a pedant expecting a complete new review when you can come to your own conclusions on whether it's worth it at the current price, maybe we'll see some edits from reviewers on the pricing front.
It's a terrible time in general for buying GPU's and the behaviour we're seeing on this launch isn't helping, second hand pricing is also awful atm.
It's a terrible time in general for buying GPU's and the behaviour we're seeing on this launch isn't helping, second hand pricing is also awful atm.
Nvidia got a lot of stick on this forum over the Founders Editions pricing/shafting being $100 more than AIB ones. They also got a lot of stick for the 3.5GB 970 issue.
I'm pro AMD but it's not looking good for them if this is true. I tend to prefer AMD because I prefer their business practices but this puts them on the same level as Intel and Nvidia.
Of course benchmarks remain the same. Although possibly the 56 should have been compared to the 1080, and the 64 to the 1080ti based on the real price.
Caporegime
Yet you're saying reviews are null and void above? They aren't, you just need to use a little common sense to work out the current price/performance, in fact you don't even need to do that as some recent videos and many posts on this forum will let you know it's tragic at this inflated pricing when even at the cheapest price they were had/reviewed for it wasn't a price/performance king.
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I'll be honest, Nvidia have been very sneaky with their own GPU releases and now AMD are getting in on the act (same with 4GB Polaris). Founders Edition for example, or the GTX680 reviews all made it look great but at the time reviewers were not aware of the new boost system throttling. It was why a lot of reviewers now to GPU heat up periods prior to benching. Now we have temporary subsidised MSRP only for a very limited release batch.
So basicly the price has gone up and in reality it kind of really hasnt?
Vega without packs was ~100 less than with packs. Those without them, are sold out? And we are only left with those packed cards. Wouldnt it kind of mute the point of the whole pack cards if they sold high quantities of those non pack cheap cards?
I already before Vega launch said AMD doesent even want to sell Vegas to gamers because they cant make money on them. I was then told Vega is purposly built for gaming and Im crazy, high volume (with top end gaming cards
) gaming sales will make them loads of money...Yeah right... Sadly its evident Vega with HMB2 is ultra expensive to make and they cant sell it competitive prices.
And someone was critizing here AMD and Nvidia for getting RX570/580/1060 price hick. It wasnt really their fault, miners started buing them and shops selling them wanted to make big bucks between and hicked the prices crazy up. AMD and Nvidia could only cash on this later on when new batches started to flow to sellers.
And just note to end, I think people are pretty crazy to buy gfx cards to gaming with price tags 500, 600 and crazy 1080ti prices. You with miners are those who are raising the price year after year giving the companies the option to cash in on consumers. If no one buys 700$ cards, no one will sell 700$ cards.
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There is some kind of statement made by AMD
Vega without packs was ~100 less than with packs. Those without them, are sold out? And we are only left with those packed cards. Wouldnt it kind of mute the point of the whole pack cards if they sold high quantities of those non pack cheap cards?
I already before Vega launch said AMD doesent even want to sell Vegas to gamers because they cant make money on them. I was then told Vega is purposly built for gaming and Im crazy, high volume (with top end gaming cards
) gaming sales will make them loads of money...Yeah right... Sadly its evident Vega with HMB2 is ultra expensive to make and they cant sell it competitive prices.And someone was critizing here AMD and Nvidia for getting RX570/580/1060 price hick. It wasnt really their fault, miners started buing them and shops selling them wanted to make big bucks between and hicked the prices crazy up. AMD and Nvidia could only cash on this later on when new batches started to flow to sellers.
And just note to end, I think people are pretty crazy to buy gfx cards to gaming with price tags 500, 600 and crazy 1080ti prices. You with miners are those who are raising the price year after year giving the companies the option to cash in on consumers. If no one buys 700$ cards, no one will sell 700$ cards.
Edit.
There is some kind of statement made by AMD
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So folk should watch/read a review based on the wrong price. Then apply their own criteria based on their own judgement as to how if affects the review. Ok.