This is stupid and uncalled for

VIRII · 29 Sep 2006 at 21:04

dark_shadow said:
Agreed.

Now get those yanks out of Iraq and those Israeli's out of Palestine.

Absolutely! IT isn't worth spilling their blood for some ridiculous religion. Furthermore we have no right or reason to stop someone murdering thousands of men women and children with poison gas.
While we are about setting everyone back where they came from can we boot all non WASPS out of the UK too?

tenchi-fan · 29 Sep 2006 at 21:08

Yup, stupid and uncalled for... same way as burning effigies of the Pope (head of Catholic church with 1 billion followers worldwide), burning Christian churches and killing a nun were stupid and uncalled for.

Still, it's a relatively peaceful form of protest.

Deadly Ferret · 29 Sep 2006 at 21:13

If I didn't have better things to do with my time, I'd be out leaving pigs heads and burning effigies of the pope. It is said people shouldn't mock the afflicted, but the religious are such easy targets and are a breeze to wind up if one is so inclined.

In a way, winding them up is a service: it'll help them evolve into people who don't get uptight about nonsense.

wassap · 29 Sep 2006 at 21:17

VIRII said:
Who said that they were "obliged" to do so? Some people would like to see condemnation against muslim attrocities by muslims because their silence can be construed to imply approval of the attrocities.
Similarly you've said that the usual suspects are hypocrites for not being vocal in condemnation of the pigs head. Why should they be obliged to condemn it .......

Come on mate, everytime we condemn something you guys just dismiss it out of hand saying its some kind of token jesture.

VIRII · 29 Sep 2006 at 21:20

wohoo said:
Come on mate, everytime we condemn something you guys just dismiss it out of hand saying its some kind of token jesture.

We do? I would have thought that if religion was so important to a group of 1.8 million people that when mad imams twist it and turn it to evil that a strong voice of condemnation would issue forth immediately yet we see far stronger opposition from the muslim community towars the war in Iraq than we do to abuses of Islam by other muslims. Why?

Deadly Ferret · 29 Sep 2006 at 21:24

That might be a matter of organisation Virii. A cause can be much more binding and cohesion-inducing to a group than the onerous duty of decrying what the evil ones do. I think they should make more of an effort, but it might be due to bad management rather than willingness.

scorza · 29 Sep 2006 at 21:32

i know nothing said:
I see this has happened before:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2239700.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/2950714.stm

Even a couple of international incidents:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/1503977.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/308291.stm
http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2006/07/04/severed_pigs_head_thrown_into_mosque_during_prayer_session/

And it happens to churches too - but you don't see any threads about these lol, in fact it'd probably get celebrated and paedophile catholic priests would be used as justification or something lol:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hereford/worcs/4305874.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/4783531.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/5094470.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/isle_of_man/5011070.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/4690752.stm

wassap · 29 Sep 2006 at 21:48

VIRII said:
We do? I would have thought that if religion was so important to a group of 1.8 million people that when mad imams twist it and turn it to evil that a strong voice of condemnation would issue forth immediately yet we see far stronger opposition from the muslim community towars the war in Iraq than we do to abuses of Islam by other muslims. Why?

DF isnt far of the mark here, but when have you known any group, accept their own frailties, its far easier to point the finger at another rather than yourself, this applies to all and sundry.

wassap · 29 Sep 2006 at 21:51

scorza said:
And it happens to churches too - but you don't see any threads about these lol, in fact it'd probably get celebrated and paedophile catholic priests would be used as justification or something lol:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hereford/worcs/4305874.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/4783531.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/5094470.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/isle_of_man/5011070.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/berkshire/4690752.stm

You cant pin that on muslims, i aint ever seen a darkie in devon or the isle of man

(or hereford for that matter)

Joe42 · 29 Sep 2006 at 21:54

Deadly Ferret said:
If I didn't have better things to do with my time, I'd be out leaving pigs heads and burning effigies of the pope. It is said people shouldn't mock the afflicted, but the religious are such easy targets and are a breeze to wind up if one is so inclined.

In a way, winding them up is a service: it'll help them evolve into people who don't get uptight about nonsense.

Absolutely.

Unfortunately they have been winding each other up and killing each other for millenia and its not going to stop anytime soon.

Stolly · 29 Sep 2006 at 21:56

Spawn said:
Hey not our fault that you guys accept gay people with open arms....as for adulterers?? well i dont agree with them either but they arent just exclusive to muslims are they. Again not our problem/fault that you seem to accept them with open arms...

Crikey this topic has gone OT....lol

Oh how tolerant of you.

scorza · 29 Sep 2006 at 21:57

wohoo said:
You cant pin that on muslims, i aint ever seen a darkie in devon or the isle of man (or hereford for that matter)

I never claimed it was muslims - like you say I'd be suprised if it was. Likewise you can't pin the pigs head incidents on Christians.

wassap · 29 Sep 2006 at 21:58

scorza said:
I never claimed it was muslims - like you say I'd be suprised if it was. Likewise you can't pin the pigs head incidents on Christians.

Ive just pinned it on some idiots, prob stands a chance they were welsh tho

wierd bunch them lot

jamoor · 29 Sep 2006 at 22:00

sr4470 said:
What part of the country was that? Also, a trip isnt what I was referring to.

Have you ever tried to go into one?

Just try going into one, just take your shoes off first though and try avoid going at friday midday prayer time.

Deadly Ferret · 29 Sep 2006 at 22:05

Joe42 said:
Absolutely.

Unfortunately they have been winding each other up and killing each other for millenia and its not going to stop anytime soon.

Evolution doesn't happen overnight...well not unless radiation is involved.

scorza · 29 Sep 2006 at 22:05

wohoo said:
Ive just pines on some idiots, prob stands a chance they were welsh tho wierd bunch them lot

I blame atheists. If only there were no atheists in the world there'd be no poverty, hunger or violence.

VIRII · 29 Sep 2006 at 23:19

wohoo said:
DF isnt far of the mark here, but when have you known any group, accept their own frailties, its far easier to point the finger at another rather than yourself, this applies to all and sundry.

If a group can organise to condemn the War then they can organise to condemn 9/11 or 7/7 etc. So I don't think it is really a case of being unable to organise.
Unwillingness to draw attention to problems within your own community I can understand but these issues are about the very religion that is supposedly so important to these people.
I believe that the difference in activity in condemning the war in Iraq and the tube bombings stems from how acceptable it is to that community with the tube bombings being seen by many as something that "the UK brought upon itself", in effect excusing and justifying it in much the same way as some excuse and justify the pigs head.
In effect the bombings are seen as a retaliation that is almost justifiable and not an abuse or misrepresentation of Islam. If the bombings were indeed taken a sa serious breach of Islam or insult to Islam we'd have seen much stronger demonstration.

Goatboy · 29 Sep 2006 at 23:27

So what happens when the perpetrators of this 'hate crime' are found?

Is there a specific crime related to leaving animal parts outside buildings, hard to believe it's an actual offence and it's impossible to prove why it was left there.

Joe42 · 29 Sep 2006 at 23:50

Goatboy said:
So what happens when the perpetrators of this 'hate crime' are found?

Is there a specific crime related to leaving animal parts outside buildings, hard to believe it's an actual offence and it's impossible to prove why it was left there.

I suppose it would count as fly tipping... isn't there an offence of 'enciting racial hatred'? Part of the recent anti terrorism laws.

Although it would be easy to say it had dropped off the back of a butchers van or something. Its not a serious enough crime for the police to care much anyway.

Neil79 · 30 Sep 2006 at 00:21

Its just a pig's head, stick in a bin liner and throw it away :rolleyes:

I found a dead hedgehog in my garden once, it stunk i felt abit sick... but still
i just buried it peacefully :cool:

This is stupid and uncalled for

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