This is why people are losing respect for the police...

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I watched a Sky news article on YT about this and I get the police officers were sacked for lying but having watched the onboard, you can see why the police decided to take a look. The guy driving the Merc should have just stopped, not attempted to run. That alone would make you want to give the pull would it not? I guess the sacking is considered by some as appeasement.

I had cause to go to court once. The police report lied in that instance but I don't suppose it would have made much difference.

|I believe they had been stopped over 10 times in the last month. You can understand why someone would be feeling like saying "**** you!" to the police and not complying.

A friend joined and left the police a few years ago. She had a masters in criminology and worked for Home Office in anti terrorism for years but always wanted to be in the police. She joined the MET but she just couldn't take just how many bad police officers there were. She said on numerous occasions she'd be out on patrol and her colleague(s) would stop a driver because they were bored with the line "they look like they might have some drugs on them", they hadn't done anything wrong, the officer was just bored and felt like abusing their power. She lost heart and didn't even make it past 12 months after graduating. She was going to be fast tracked up the ranks as well.
 
|I believe they had been stopped over 10 times in the last month. You can understand why someone would be feeling like saying "**** you!" to the police and not complying.
she'd never been stopped before, horses mouth -> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001ry9k 6"
but is now traumatized .. latest sound bites on the news (bbc seems to think this is a real public interest story) ... we are doing this for other people ...

not sure where this crazy instinct to film things comes from - are such people actually there in the moment to respond like normal human beings or playing a bit part in their movie, with a poor script writer.
(pretty sad the people who had filmed their plight at the Kibutz's too)
 

People keep saying it’s only a few bad apples. I would disagree, especially in the MET.

To all the cops on this thread posting sob stories. If you have ever seen the behaviour described in these stories of lies, abuse of power, racism and misogyny, or corruption and ignored it. Then sorry you are part of the problem. If it was genuinely only a few bad apples, then the “majority” good ones should have been exposing them and rooting them out long ago.
 
To be fair i can't imagine with a force the size of the MET that you'd likely be seeing more than a tiny sliver of people, however the people higher up have no excuses.
 
To be fair i can't imagine with a force the size of the MET that you'd likely be seeing more than a tiny sliver of people, however the people higher up have no excuses.

I would disagree. The fact that two lying cops have a go fund me page, that serving police officers are pay into is indicative of systemic corruption and racism.

It reeks of a police service that believes accountability should not exist. Or that turning a blind eye has the moral equivalence of doing the right thing.
 
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I wasn't sure if to put this in the Israel/Gaza thread. But this is a specifically British issue.

GMP taking down posters of the missing child hostages. The mind rot reached the police it seems. Any regular person would know this was wrong. These don't seem to know right from wrong.

This is happening in a Jewish neighbourhood. Totally irresponsible.


 
I have no idea why anyone would want to be a Police officer in this day and age. Those good ones (the majority) have my utmost respect and admiration. I don't know how you can do a job with people pushing camera's in your face all the time, a complete lack of respect from a huge chunk of the population, having every millitsecond of your actions inspected by thousands, almost instantly, potentially having your life and repuation ruined in the blink of an eye online (with little to no context or understanding from multiple different groups of people). All the time having to work in what still seems to be (what happened to the 20k extra officers that were recruited which apparently takes us back to re cuts levels.. where are they?) under resourced and having to Police some very dodgy and highly debateable laws that have been passed the last few years.

The country is desperate for proper law and order at a local level again.. just hope things start to change soon for the better.
Good afternoon. Millions in Britain agree with you but until this mendacious, incompetent, smug, liberal cabal (both these factions of liberalism) are intellectually challenged by a new party we can never go back to the country in which I was priviliged to be born. All we have to look forward to is mass immigration and disorder. Neither of these two Blairite parties have anything to say over these issues and at the Friday evening dinner tables in Islington, Belsize park and Notting hill these champagne socialists would sneeringly dismiss those concerns as being alarmist and racist. Well they can afford to think this way -- millions across Britain are not so fortunate. They operate in an exclusive North London bubble which viscerally despises any one who disagrees with their "wisdom"
 
GMP taking down posters of the missing child hostages. The mind rot reached the police it seems. Any regular person would know this was wrong. These don't seem to know right from wrong.

"ContextVids" - well, there's an ironically named channel.

Honestly, I'd have expected better decision making around community relations from the Manchester Police but being in a good cause does not got give people carte blanc to flypost either.
 
This video is in regard to the two pcso's ripping down leaflets about Israel child hostage posters, in a Jewish neighbourhood in Greater Manchester.

Not sure why you need to give that context?

According to this guy the pcso's are to dim to follow the official guidance.

That seems a very bad faith take on it. He says the PCSO acted on instructions from above based on a complaint. Presumably (although not necessarily) a complaint about illegal flyposting.
 
This video is in regard to the two pcso's ripping down leaflets about Israel child hostage posters, in a Jewish neighbourhood in Greater Manchester.


According to this guy the pcso's are to dim to follow the official guidance.
The "official guidance" is probably changing on a regular basis and the pcso's are probably not exactly given much time to read everything and absorb it before going out (or the guidance might have changed after they went on shift).
IIRC PCSO's aren't given much if any training on the legal side of things so need the guidance to be both clear and in enough time for them to read and remember it.

I'm not sure if it happens now, but IIRC going back to when there were actually more police around I believe they used to have short briefings before shift starts, I suspect these days that doesn't happen as often because they need to get out on shift to cover the work that used to be done by officers that haven't been replaced when they left, or who are now doing the work that used to be done by the "back office" staff that were dumped in the cuts that "would not affect the number of police officers" (only because they kept the officers, but had them doing clerical jobs that needed to be done but now didn't have dedicated, cheaper staff to do).

I tend to think there are a lot of problems with policing in the UK, but most of them can basically be traced to management and government giving contradictory instructions and objectives*, whilst good officers tend to burn out/get driven out by the working conditions leaving more of the "less capable" or outright dodgy officers who are less likely to get dealt with because there are no replacements for them (and we see a lot more of the "bad" officers than ever before because we do have more accountability for the police, and camera phones and social media make it very easy to spread the information).

I suspect we've probably got in many ways a much more professional and better trained force than we had in say the 80's and 90's (let alone before), but the flaws are much more apparent (including things that are basically down to simple lack of staffing, especially experienced officers) and the bad officers actions are far more likely to be observed and talked about than at any time in the past, and officers are being asked to do so much more.

I know we've got a few members of the forum who are officers and from every indication they're the sort of officers we want and need, but policing isn't necessarily attractive as a job to people like them that the job needs, and burn out is a massive issue.


*I remember reading blogs of magistrates etc complaining that what the government was telling them to do was changing so often that they were not getting the training for the previous guidance done (and implementing it) before it was changed again, so there there was never a chance for the changes to take effect. Basically the government was changing things to keep the tabloids happy without any allowance for the lag that is needed to implement it in a legal and coherent manner.
 
people have no knowledge of the law ? who wants to see their neighborhood covered in bill posters,
will just promote retaliation posters from those pro-palestinian human rights ... and then what.

was it actually done as a stunt following social media videos (as also posted on OC) where students did this elsewhere with follow-up videos of them pulled down,
Fly-posting is against the law and the police and our authorised officers can issue a fixed penalty notice of £80 for fly-posting offences - this is to help cover the costs of removal of the material. It is also termed criminal damage and this carries a maximum custodial sentence of ten years.

could make a menorah type gesture instead.
 
people have no knowledge of the law ? who wants to see their neighborhood covered in bill posters,
will just promote retaliation posters from those pro-palestinian human rights ... and then what.

was it actually done as a stunt following social media videos (as also posted on OC) where students did this elsewhere with follow-up videos of them pulled down,


could make a menorah type gesture instead.
Graffiti is illegal too, but the police don't come out with a bucket of soapy water and some scrubbing brushes when they see any, do they‽
 
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