theres peaceful opposition and then theres trying to kick things off
waving an iraeli fflag would surely be an act of provocation? we saw similar at bnp marches though and that was fine so...
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This is why people are losing respect for the police...
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waving an iraeli fflag would surely be an act of provocation? we saw similar at bnp marches though and that was fine so...
It might be an act of provocation but that doesn't excuse violence.
But they don't do it based upon race.
They do e.g they stopped the anti BLM protesters mixing with the BLM marches.
This jewish guy was he protesting or just watrching?
from what I saw he didn't appear to be carrying any placards or anything and only got picked out becxause he is clearly Jewish
A representative (the boss in fact...) of a pro-Isreali lobbying group is almost certainly there intentionally.
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There's a difference between keeping two separate groups apart and saying an individual can't go somewhere.
The attitude of the police when policing protests is different depending on if it conflicts with their ideology.
If a black man was standing near an NF march and someone shouted something racist at him the police would have been violently arresting the NF'er.
The last BNP/NF demonstration I remember was in Rochdale about the grooming gangs, about the councils trying to wriggle out of an enquiry.
The cops turned up with police dogs trying to intimidate the protesters from the start.
Applying different standards to different groups is a terrible idea.
If a black man was standing near an NF march and someone shouted something racist at him the police would have been violently arresting the NF'er.
The last BNP/NF demonstration I remember was in Rochdale about the grooming gangs, about the councils trying to wriggle out of an enquiry.
The cops turned up with police dogs trying to intimidate the protesters from the start.
Applying different standards to different groups is a terrible idea.
Or, and this is much more based in reality.
Depending on previous experience with the people involved, the group involved, and manpower available.
There is no way the Police can afford the manpower ratio they use for a BNP/NF march of a couple of hundred known usually violent thugs for a march of 100k+ known normally peaceful and well organised people and won't default to that level of manpower because most protests are very quiet (as my brother pointed out, there have been more arrests for violence/disturbance at just one of the horse races than all the "pro Palestine"/anti war protests so far).
The BNP/NF actively go out to "protest" in the same manner many of the same people used to go to "enjoy a football game", hence the police presence they get/got, so they're really not a good comparison as they're pretty much at the worst end of any protest scale and would be likely to proceed quite happily towards "riot" if the police were not there in sufficient numbers.
I think in this instance the officer involved was stupid in how he worded it/went about it, but I can see how he might have been applying some of the "common sense" people keep saying the Police need to use, it's much easier and less manpower intensive to suggest one person takes a different route or avoids a group to avoid a risk, than it is to actively control a group if something does start to happen.
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I was just watching a video of a Palestine march in Bristol and the camera man got attacked by someone thinking he was someone from the far right.
There was no police around during the Palestinian protest, and when the ambulance and then the camera guy called 999 the police didn't want to come out!
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The attack happens towards the end of the video.
I can see a major incident happening at one of these events because the police seem to have lost control of the situation.
There was no police around during the Palestinian protest, and when the ambulance and then the camera guy called 999 the police didn't want to come out!
Bristol Palestine March with ENGLAND chanting and a violent THUG attacks cameraman
A nice sunny day in Bristol and huge march . Police were not to be seen anywhere A small group of England lads singing engerland engerland engerland ..coul...
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The attack happens towards the end of the video.
I can see a major incident happening at one of these events because the police seem to have lost control of the situation.
Again - we are all adults, and people need to accept that there maybe people that disagree with them.
This SHOULD NOT be viewed as provocation, but rather as a someone expressing their right to freedom of expression... same as you.
WE ARE ALL ADULTS... and we all have an equal right to freedom of expression.
Grow up!
If the police officer had tried to be more tactful, the Jewish guy would have forced the issue anyway. Obviously there to cause a fuss and cry outrage when the officer tries to protect him from himself.
Guaranteed, the officer stood aside and the Jewish guy got beaten up, the cries of antisemitism would be even louder.
Crying victim all the time gets tedious.
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To be fair, if someone was attacked simply for being Jewish, it would be antisemitism.
The police officer was in a very difficult position and did his best to maintain public order. I feel sorry for him.
Everyone dancing around the issue that it's really not an individual policeman's comment that's the core issue here. Its the fact there is a violent ideology that was imported and is getting increasingly strong as the demographic war is won.
From the 2011 census to the 2021 census the muslim population jumped from 4.4% to 6.5%. This demographic will only increase and police will have no option to increasingly turn a blind eye to the actual minorities as this group grows.
This is not an insult against individual muslims but their communities have not integrated and as has been shown around Europe are not going to. In a way I don't blame them, they are preserving (even if they are wrong) what they can in the face of the cultural nihilism the rest of us are subjected to.
From the 2011 census to the 2021 census the muslim population jumped from 4.4% to 6.5%. This demographic will only increase and police will have no option to increasingly turn a blind eye to the actual minorities as this group grows.
This is not an insult against individual muslims but their communities have not integrated and as has been shown around Europe are not going to. In a way I don't blame them, they are preserving (even if they are wrong) what they can in the face of the cultural nihilism the rest of us are subjected to.
Eh? Existing is baiting?
Trying to highlight the inconsistency of policing down lines of race and beliefs it seems. A short sighted tactic that will harm social cohesion in the long run.
No idea where I'm getting involved in this. I've moved away from the cities and towns to avoid this type of 'worry'.
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