This is why people are losing respect for the police...

[Werewolf]

I’ve been following Tommy Robinsons court time today and the Met are making themselves look either completely stupid or extremely corrupt.
It probably should get thrown out of court tomorrow based on what’s happened today, but who knows.

Oh, poor Tommy in court again?

What's it for this time, fraud, immigration offences/getting on aircraft with false ID's. assault, ignoring court orders, or simply offences against the justice system by filming where it's not allowed and he's been told he's putting an important trial at risk?

 

[Roar87]

Tommy Robinson: Met Police officer admits wrong date put on court order

An inspector admits he put the wrong date on a dispersal order allegedly breached by the 40-year-old.

www.bbc.co.uk

It seems like the Police Officer filled in a form on the day of the protest, but then changed the date on the form to 2 days earlier, then said it was because his laptop battery was dying. So Police corruption if I understand the situation correctly. They then pepper sprayed him and arrested him for legally being at a protest because the organisers didn't want him there.

 

[JonRGV250]

It'll be interesting to see if Gideon Falter apologises to him when all this is over.
My breath won't be held.
Also from memory watching his arrest, he was pepper sprayed point blank whilst in handcuffs and surrounded by police officers and not trying to resist arrest.

 

[dowie]

Time to call in the big guns when someone is blatantly initiating a discussion with a view to nit-pick and pull apart all in an effort to say "so I'm right" - @dowie, you're good at this kind of thing

LOL sorry meant to reply to this earlier - I don't support vigilantism, I do think we have some serious issues with being able to deport foreign criminals though and part of that is thanks to lack of funding and part of that seems to be some rather self-inflicted onerous interpretations of human rights laws - see the recent story re: the UK having to spend 1 million+ and luxury hotel stay + therapy sessions etc.. in order to deport a rapist to Somalia.

 

[dowie]

If it was merely about being Jewish (though for some it definitely is) then the orthodox guys that sometimes show up on the pro-Palestine protests would be getting attacked, not sure that's been the case however.

I sincerely doubt he was in any genuine danger.

That's rather naive - firstly the token Jews they have at these protests are almost always there draped in pro-Palestine gear, in a group that is known to be anti-Israel etc.

A Jewish person shouldn't have to pass a purity test in order to not be in danger of being attacked when walking through London - the metropolitan police was a complete joke there, especially the thick Police Sgt who came out with that "openly Jewish" comment.

Secondly - in danger of what? Being killed? Being harmed or harassed? In the latter case they clearly were - just watch the video, there were people from the crowd already shouting at him and harassing him and he'd quite easily have been in danger of being assaulted by some angry members of that mob.

The fact is the Met have completely failed and this guy exploded them - it's so blatant that the government has had to react and the commissioner is getting grief over it (deservedly). They can't have it both ways - religion is a protected characteristic and he wasn't part of some other protest, he was simply walking along as a Jew - if that's something the police admit is dangerous for him because of that protest then it's gone too far and the Met has failed to use it's powers to shut down dangerous protests and protect Londoners - Jewish Londoners in particular.

 

[dowie]

Oh, poor Tommy in court again?

What's it for this time, fraud, immigration offences/getting on aircraft with false ID's. assault, ignoring court orders, or simply offences against the justice system by filming where it's not allowed and he's been told he's putting an important trial at risk?

The claim from his side apparently is that the Met have screwed up and asked him to leave an area when they had no grounds to do so, I guess we'll have to find out whether that stands up tomorrow.

 

[dowie]

Tommy Robinson: Met Police officer admits wrong date put on court order

An inspector admits he put the wrong date on a dispersal order allegedly breached by the 40-year-old.

www.bbc.co.uk

It seems like the Police Officer filled in a form on the day of the protest, but then changed the date on the form to 2 days earlier, then said it was because his laptop battery was dying. So Police corruption if I understand the situation correctly. They then pepper sprayed him and arrested him for legally being at a protest because the organisers didn't want him there.

Questioning the inspector, Robinson's barrister Alisdair Williamson KC said: "This document is not correct is it?
"Can we have any confidence that there was a lawful order in place?"
The officer replied: "No."
Prosecutor Jonathan Bryan told the court Robinson "became resistant" when ordered to leave the area near the Royal Courts of Justice and was arrested.
"Organisers of the protest had made it clear they didn't want his presence," Mr Bryan said. "He wouldn't leave the area."
During his arrest, officers sprayed Robinson with synthetic pepper spray and handcuffed him.

Oops - seems the CPS was given the opportunity by the judge to drop the charges earlier today but decided to press on anyway. There was also a claim in his interview on Twitter that it didn't apply to the area where he was arrested either and some procedural issues with the arrest too, like they're supposed to give him a chance to comply and/or to raise an objection (he claims to be a journalist ergo believes he has an argument that it shouldn't have applied anyway).

 

[StriderX]

Oops - seems the CPS was given the opportunity by the judge to drop the charges earlier today but decided to press on anyway. There was also a claim in his interview on Twitter that it didn't apply to the area where he was arrested either and some procedural issues with the arrest too, like they're supposed to give him a chance to comply and/or to raise an objection (he claims to be a journalist ergo believes he has an argument that it shouldn't have applied anyway).

All of this is pointless because the arrest happened and that's all that matters because any court time after can't undo the arrest.

It's a neat little trick the police can do.

 

[BowdonUK]

then they can use that to blanket ban any marches.

how totalitarian do you want to go, seems like we have been pushed that way for at least 20 years now

They can already ban marches. Its been like that for decades.

 

[dowie]

All of this is pointless because the arrest happened and that's all that matters because any court time after can't undo the arrest.

It's a neat little trick the police can do.

If that were true then why did it still go to court rather than being dropped?

 

[dowie]

Vice char of a pro isreali settlers group, accompanied by a camera person and apparently a couple of probable body guards.

What group is that?

There didn't seem to be anything to visibly indicate a pro-Israel stance, there was only a religious symbol ergo he's successfully demonstrated antisemitism + a complete gaffe "visibly Jewish" from the Police Sergeant present which has understandably landed the Met in hot water with politicians and caused them to issue an apology.

It's very iffy to start trying to justify that tbh.. we're supposed to be a free country not 1930s Germany. If they believe there is a threat to Jewish people simply by crossing the street or being near to one of these protests then they should stop these protests unless or until they can deal with the terrorist supporters, the antisemites and the safety issues.

 

[JonRGV250]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1782449973348401541

 

[StriderX]

I want his speech denied, ngl.

 

[jpaul]

What group is that
Listen to march organisers interview ? gideon is infamous for his activism trying to ban marches, and if not know to most of the marchers, is probably on a police 'take care dealing with this guy' list
If the UK government is sanctioning Israelis associated with the West bank attrocities - maybe gideon, in his turn, should have a first class seat reserved on the first flight to Rwanda.
(e: come to think of it gideons trying to ban others free speech hmmh)

police are wondering around the protests with video cameras too, probably looking for live matches on activism database/trouble-makers

 

[imtoooldforthis]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1782449973348401541

Are there any dunce tier right-wing grifters on twitter that you're not subscribed to ?

 

[JonRGV250]

Are there any dunce tier right-wing grifters on twitter that you're not subscribed to ?

Dont think so, maybe you could suggest some in case I’ve missed any?

 

[jpaul]

You talking to me too - yes, I think so Tommy .
good for you Rowley , police sergeant should be promoted.

The commissioner of the Metropolitan police has praised the “professional” conduct of the sergeant who stopped an antisemitism campaigner at a pro-Palestinian march and warned that officers at other protests had been “set up” by activists using “fakery” to undermine the force.

In an interview with the Guardian, Mark Rowley said the sergeant involved in the incident with Gideon Falter would not be disciplined and vigorously defended the Met’s handling of the six months of protests since the 7 October attacks on Israel.

Defying calls for his resignation, Rowley faced a series of crisis meetings on Monday with the two people who could oust him – the home secretary, James Cleverly, and the London mayor, Sadiq Khan – as well as British Jewish groups.

 

[JonRGV250]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1782734251705667601

 

[dowie]

That's a big self-own by them - really the CPS should have dropped the charges when given the opportunity to do so by the Judge yesterday, instead, they've handed Tommy Robinson a victory on St Georges day.

He's probably going to milk it further by suing them for compensation over the wrongful arrest and use of pepper spray - the Met has been utterly incompetent there, too keen to move against a bad guy that they've made a load of schoolboy errors.

 

[JonRGV250]

Why the judge delayed from 10:30 then to 11:30, and then made his decision at 12:30 is anyone’s guess.
He must have known what he was going to rule after yesterday’s poor show by the Met.