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This is why people are losing respect for the police...
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So he did have an agenda then and wasn’t just off for a stroll down the street, accosted by the police for being “openly Jewish” etc etc. I’m not saying what he’s trying to achieve is wrong but in this case the means is questionable and reminds me of YouTube prank and clickbate vids when people antagonise to get the desired outcome.
People trying to get the same outcome, eg highlight the inconsistency of policing down lines of race are likely unimpressed by the tactics.
I’m not absolving the police but it’s definitely not as it was made out to be in the media (shock) in the initial days.
They are and they aren't. There are a group of people that simply can't behave and can't be trusted and the police are not dealing with them adequately.
The police aren't the cause but they're also not part of the solution right now.
That's where demographics based policing gets you in the end though.
Everyone can see that there is nothing they can do about with the (lack of) resources they have, the absence of apparent will to stop it (the fear the marches are creating), the abandonment from the politicians the moment the public turn on them or they make errors (which will always happen when dealing with the public). All that is happening is a prolonged exposure of how the populace or sections of it can make life uncomfortable for other parts without the authorities having any means to stop it other than some crap social media posts or mealy mouthed statements.
Edit: I guess what I'm saying in a really crap way is that either this atmosphere of "unsafe" areas for certain groups to be falls away or it intensifies in the lack of meaningful pushback. 50/50. Not really the police or the parties involved fault, it's just human nature once again showing us who we really are.
Everyone can see that there is nothing they can do about with the (lack of) resources they have, the absence of apparent will to stop it (the fear the marches are creating), the abandonment from the politicians the moment the public turn on them or they make errors (which will always happen when dealing with the public). All that is happening is a prolonged exposure of how the populace or sections of it can make life uncomfortable for other parts without the authorities having any means to stop it other than some crap social media posts or mealy mouthed statements.
Edit: I guess what I'm saying in a really crap way is that either this atmosphere of "unsafe" areas for certain groups to be falls away or it intensifies in the lack of meaningful pushback. 50/50. Not really the police or the parties involved fault, it's just human nature once again showing us who we really are.
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Completely agree. The police officer was damned either way.
If he'd have just sighed and said "Knock yourself out" and let the Jewish guy cross in front of a Pro-Palestinian march and did indeed get himself knocked out, the story would be police officer fails to protect Jewish man from Pro-Palestinian mob.
The man shouldn't be at risk from any mob in the first instance. The police being far too soft with them is to blame for that risk.
Nobody as the right to have a march. All marches have to ask the police for permission. The police can, and have in the past, banned marches.
People don't need permission for a static protest.
For security issues I think many of the marches should be banned on security and safety reasons due to the police being overstretched. I don't understand why the police are allowing marches that they know they can't ensure the safety of the public.
People don't need permission for a static protest.
For security issues I think many of the marches should be banned on security and safety reasons due to the police being overstretched. I don't understand why the police are allowing marches that they know they can't ensure the safety of the public.
Not really. If the officer felt there was danger he should have called in reinforcements to deal with a lack of respect for the laws of the country. Kowtowing only emboldens.
I'm pretty sure if it had been a bunch of knuckle dragging football hooligans he wouldn't have hesitated to call in riot police and make mass arrests..
There wasn't a danger, but there could be, which is what the Policeman was avoiding.
Well then, at that point the police should just keep all Jewish people locked in their homes every weekend unless they are not going to be openly Jewish.*
That the policeman is having to make that decision is what should be avoided in the first place. No streets of this country should be deemed "unsafe" for people based on characteristics, beliefs, affiliation or whatever, I even dare extend that to the football which still has a long way to go, especially on European fixtures.
We are in danger of tolerating a level of intolerance that hasn't been seen for a generation.
*obviously being hyperbolic in case there is any doubt.
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As the march organiser just said 100's of openly jewish people already on the marches, and as an individual (w/o camera crew and body guards) falter would be welcome to join,
equally that Jewish folks locked in their homes are just being fed a false narrative, of insecurity, by Gideon falter / braverman and Co.
At least media now giving coverage to full interaction with the police, showing Falter's motivation,
shame it's not a quick sound-bite like the pictures of those pro-hamas activists with the paraglider image.
equally that Jewish folks locked in their homes are just being fed a false narrative, of insecurity, by Gideon falter / braverman and Co.
At least media now giving coverage to full interaction with the police, showing Falter's motivation,
shame it's not a quick sound-bite like the pictures of those pro-hamas activists with the paraglider image.
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No. That is going down the road to authoritarianism. Anyone should have the right to protest about anything. You can excuse/ban anything on 'security' reasons.
The police have to strike a balance with what they have to allow - the right of protest. With the safety of the public - or one individual.
The police would have come in for even more grief if the officer in question had called for reinforcements for one man who was attempting to make a difficult situation for the police even worse.
It surprises me that no responsibilty is being placed on the Jewish guy. He didn't need to make a scene. He wanted to make a statement and for his own safety, the police stopped him.
then they can use that to blanket ban any marches.
how totalitarian do you want to go, seems like we have been pushed that way for at least 20 years now
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Theres more to the story than isn't being stated either the "jewish guy" is head of an anti-semitic organisation who just happened to be at this particular march, not looking for a confrontation at all, no sir. He was looking to create maximum political capital out of the situation whichever way it panned out. Its also very convenient for the very pro-Israeli Rishi Sunak to push to get marches he doesn't agree with or like, banned.
See above.
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I don't care about the Jewish guy or anyone. I care that the approach is a softly softly approach to intolerant middle age cultists or just banning marches.
People have a right to protest and people have a right to counter protest.
People who assault others on either side deserve a beating by the police and prosecution for being a ****.
Thus in this scenario the jew should have been allowed to do his protest, the Muslims theirs. Exchange words of whatever kind but if it gets physical then get physical back and prosecute strongly.
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Vice char of a pro isreali settlers group, accompanied by a camera person and apparently a couple of probable body guards.
The police officer did pretty much what Police always try to do when there is a protest, in that he was keeping people from two obviously opposing sides separate.
Except that the Police have a duty to try and prevent breaches of the peace and it's always much easier, and less damaging to prevent the two sides from potentially coming to blows.
This is how the police have worked for decades, and has been shown to reduce the chances of trouble significantly (it's also the exact same tactic they learned to use with football mobs).
I’ve been following Tommy Robinsons court time today and the Met are making themselves look either completely stupid or extremely corrupt.
It probably should get thrown out of court tomorrow based on what’s happened today, but who knows.
It probably should get thrown out of court tomorrow based on what’s happened today, but who knows.
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