Soldato
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Right up your street then?
This is why people are losing respect for the police...
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Right up your street then?
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I'm more of a fan of logic not...whatever the hell that was.
He has a point though. You're saying police officers on social media complain about workload and staffing levels, which they do. A bit of dancing while deployed to an event (or attending on a rest day/voluntarily, as many do) doesn't detract from those issues. Shifts aren't parading with a fraction of their normal staffing levels and specialist teams aren't being disbanded because the rest are off practising their macarena for the next LGBTQI parade.
It ultimately comes down to a balance between being participant and engaged with communities, versus giving critics one more thing to regularly regurgitate along with the "policing hurty words on twitter" and spending money painting rainbows on cars, and often under the guise of wanting police to be back policing again. It's all rather tiresome to those that have an understanding of the real issues that policing is facing, and entirely unproductive towards the supposed goal of freeing up officers to deal with actual crime. The amount of time being taken up dealing with mental health and social issues vastly outstrips the occasional jig.
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Any time wasted doing crap like that is nothing but time wasted. If you tot up the man hours then that resource could have been deployed elsewhere.
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But the thing with public order policing is you don't know until after the event whether the number of officers assigned was appropriate, based on how much trouble actually happened. The poor police get hammered if they don't assign enough officers and trouble happens, and now they are getting stick for sending officers who seemingly weren't necessary.
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And yet those officers are more likely to spot or prevent trouble if they're actually paying attention and not dancing.
That's how we ended up with extremely low attendance of certain crimes and less police patrolling.
After all if they're not doing something that looks good on the statistics that means its a waste of time right.
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Was any trouble missed? I don't know.
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I've not mentioned doing anything for the purpose of statistics.
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But you were talking about what if's. This is the example of what if. What if something did happen and the police missed it or responded too slowly because they're too busy dancing? They are not there to dance. They are there to prevent crime and attend should one happen.
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Sure, if they miss things. However, if they don't then, as another poster pointed out, they have done some Public Engagement while being posted unnecessarily (in hindsight) to an event. Better value for money or not worth the risk? I see both sides.
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You can do public engagement without dancing. The risk is they miss things. It's an unnecessary risk. Therefore don't take the risk.
Absolutely, they spend more time on drug possession, and "hate speech" than they do on murder, theft and rape.
The police are their own worst enemy, they victimise communities and then wonder why they won't cooperate with them when it comes to real crimes where where is actually a victim.
Life imitating art.
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This is why this country is ******.
You were calling it man hour inefficient.
A lot of what people think of as policing is wasted time yet bad feeling is generated when police don't make effort to waste time interacting with the public, being visible, attending 0% success chance crimescenes.
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I'm hoping to be in a position next year to tell a story on here, but let's just say I have absolutely zero respect for the police.
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The chance of solving a crime increases greatly with how quickly one responds.
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Why can't we just hate the police for their wild incompetence.....?
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Because I and others have the capacity to hate them for their ludicrous and unprofessional stunts as well
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Your hate of the polce is showing...
And the reason they probably spend more time on drug posession and related crimes than murder is because there are thousands of times as many drug offences as there are murders, but when there is a murder they'll throw hundreds of officers at it for days/weeks until they get it solves, whilst your average drug possession offence is likely to be dealt with by a couple of officers in anything from 15 minutes to a few hours.
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