This is why people are losing respect for the police...

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Your hate of the polce is showing...

And the reason they probably spend more time on drug posession and related crimes than murder is because there are thousands of times as many drug offences as there are murders, but when there is a murder they'll throw hundreds of officers at it for days/weeks until they get it solves, whilst your average drug possession offence is likely to be dealt with by a couple of officers in anything from 15 minutes to a few hours.

I don't hate the police in general, I have family in the police force, what I hate is the officers that are arresting people for victimless crimes and terrorizing communities to the point they no longer wish to cooperate with the police on serious crimes, obviously that is a bad thing for society. If my hate for that is showing then I'm glad, it shows that I have good moral standards.
 
Everyone has something to complain about it seems. Surely the police are allowed to have some fun during appropriate times on the job? Either way banning them from dancing or participating in awareness events etc. is not going to resolve the severe understaffing or poor performance issues that exist. That's like a spec of dust in a sandstorm.
 
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Everyone has something to complain about it seems. Surely the police are allowed to have some fun during appropriate times on the job?

Sure, at break time in the canteen

But this is like everyone being slammed in the office with a big important deadline, but I decided to stand up, start dancing, and not taking anything seriously in front of John in accounting. People will be quite rightly ****** I'm clowning around and not pulling my weight
 
Any time wasted doing crap like that is nothing but time wasted. If you tot up the man hours then that resource could have been deployed elsewhere.

It doesn't amount to anything of significance, as I've said. You're still going on about dancing even though I've told you it's not an issue compared to other non-policing demands, so it's abundantly clear you aren't actually interested in freeing up police resources to deal with crime.
 
It doesn't amount to anything of significance, as I've said. You're still going on about dancing even though I've told you it's not an issue compared to other non-policing demands, so it's abundantly clear you aren't actually interested in freeing up police resources to deal with crime.

I've told you it is an issue. So...its clear your aren't actually interested in concentrating resources on dealing with crime.
 
I've told you it is an issue. So...its clear your aren't actually interested in concentrating resources on dealing with crime.

If the best you can do is the equivalent of "I know you are but what am I?" then I think it's safe to say my prior point stands.


50,000 hours spent by one force on mental health jobs in 2021. Unfortunately I can't find the figures for how many hours Bedfordshire officers spent dancing in the same period, but feel free to put the FOI request in if you're as concerned as you say you are.
 
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If the best you can do is the equivalent of "I know you are but what am I?" then I think it's safe to say my prior point stands.


50,000 hours spent by one force on mental health jobs in 2021. Unfortunately I can't find the figures for how many hours Bedfordshire officers spent dancing in the same period, but feel free to put the FOI request in if you're as concerned as you say you are.

Aren't they screaming and crying in america over "defunding the police" so that the police are not (highly inappropriately) being sent to deal with mental health issues.
 
If the best you can do is the equivalent of "I know you are but what am I?" then I think it's safe to say my prior point stands.


50,000 hours spent by one force on mental health jobs in 2021. Unfortunately I can't find the figures for how many hours Bedfordshire officers spent dancing in the same period, but feel free to put the FOI request in if you're as concerned as you say you are.

Your argument is based on your opinion. Nothing more. Infact, your link there counters your own argument. It shows how pushed the police are for time and therefore should not waste what they do have available. Again I draw your attention to the needless risk. What happens if a crime goes undetected or even worse, someone is hurt because an officer is too busy ******* about?
 
Dis is right, dancing a little jig is an unacceptable waste of time. Considering the apparent work load I think it prudent they limit bathroom breaks to liquid only, and expell solids on their own time.
 
Dis is right, dancing a little jig is an unacceptable waste of time. Considering the apparent work load I think it prudent they limit bathroom breaks to liquid only, and expell solids on their own time.

You're trying to be clever but one of the complaints made at various events was that some officers literally didn't have the time to pee. Resulting in them ******* their pants...


 
Why are we talking like the police are out on their jollies dancing all the time instead of fighting crime ? surely it's more a case that at certain events like say Notting Hill carnival a tiny percentage of them might spend a few minutes or so dancing with some party goers as a way of bonding with the community. Why are we acting like they doss about all day dancing instead of fighting crime ? Reminds me of all those cretins during COVID who criticized NHS workers for daring to post videos of themselves having a bit of fun for a few minutes during a 14 hour shift.

Is there some big epidemic of british police busting out moves whilst working or is it just typical reactionary internet nonsense based on a few videos posted on social media ?
 
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You're trying to be clever but one of the complaints made at various events was that some officers literally didn't have the time to pee. Resulting in them ******* their pants...


Yes, but 'did that stop more crime?' is the serious question. #letthemdance #beatbop
 
Your argument is based on your opinion. Nothing more.

It's based on data such as that which I've provided to you, I'm puzzled as to how you think my opinion has any influence on the Beds Police PCC stating that 50,000 hours was spent dealing with mental health issues? That's just one account, there's plenty more out there yet precious little on the impact on resources caused by officers dancing at large public events.

Ironically the only argument based on opinion here is your own; you clearly just don't like the police or the idea of police officers dancing at carnivals (which is understandable from a public perception standpoint), and you're making out like it's responsible for a measurable drain on resources or serves as a distraction which affects operational effectiveness. If you don't like them dancing because it looks unprofessional or you don't like them trying to integrate with certain communities, just say so, rather than basing your argument on something so easily disproved.
 
It's based on data such as that which I've provided to you, I'm puzzled as to how you think my opinion has any influence on the Beds Police PCC stating that 50,000 hours was spent dealing with mental health issues? That's just one account, there's plenty more out there yet precious little on the impact on resources caused by officers dancing at large public events.

Ironically the only argument based on opinion here is your own; you clearly just don't like the police or the idea of police officers dancing at carnivals (which is understandable from a public perception standpoint), and you're making out like it's responsible for a measurable drain on resources or serves as a distraction which affects operational effectiveness. If you don't like them dancing because it looks unprofessional or you don't like them trying to integrate with certain communities, just say so, rather than basing your argument on something so easily disproved.

Remind me how many seconds it took for James Bulger to get away from his distracted mother?
 
Aren't they screaming and crying in america over "defunding the police" so that the police are not (highly inappropriately) being sent to deal with mental health issues.

That seems to be a large part of it, and it gets repeated over here too, which is ironic given chronic underfunding has long been UK government policy. The police, largely, don't want to deal with mental health; unless certain powers need to be used or someone is a physical threat to themselves or others, they aren't the right organisation to be involved. That's not to say they should be left out of the equation entirely at all, but other agencies need to have resources to take primacy on the majority of these incidents and the police need to start saying no to them (and be protected when they do) when those agencies try to offload their responsibilty to the police. Their failings are often being absorbed by the police instead.

There's no singular quick fix for any of this, and it's gone on for so long that it's going to be very complex to solve. Every force will have an entire department (or several) that has grown and grown over the years to accommodate more of this type of demand, and I suspect empires and careers will have been built on it so it wouldn't surprise me if there's even some fierce resistance to let it go.
 
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