This is why people are losing respect for the police...

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Tinders said:
Leeds riots were headline news on all the major news outlets, TV and digital???
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Not for these people. They don't watch/listen/read the mainstream media, so it's very easy for them to pretend that stories haven't been covered.

Looks like they use that 2 tier stuff they keep banging on about to many things in their own lives.
 
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How bad do things need to get, before people stop crying on behalf of the criminals?
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I don't really see anyone in this thread going all bleeding heart for the guy who got booted. I see people concerned that a policeman twice kicked a restrained man in the head with great force. It's deeply unprofessional and the type of thing you associate with drunk thugs not policemen.

If he had been running away and one of the police did a flying ninja kick to his face to take him down id be fine with it given what he's alleged to have done (assaulting police and breaking a female officers nose).
 
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4 million Muslims in the UK, 15,000 of them in prison. Muslims make up 6.5% of the UK population yet make up 18% of the prison population.

So yes they do commit crime at a higher rate but that rate is still far too low to blanket label a demographic of 4 million as unlawful or whatever like @gavinh87 is clearly clucking to do given his 'that peaceful lot' comment when referencing Muslims.
 
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gavinh87 said:
Nor the soldier that got stabbed.
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It's shocking how little news coverage that has had.... it seemed to be in and out of the news so quick you could forgive people for not knowing it ever happened.

Moley said:
Certainly not millions, but a disproportionate number of prisoners are Muslim when compared with their share of the general population - 18% vs 7%.
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How much is that due to forced conversion for protection?
Been happening for over a decade now

the BBC 2010 Bias was that people are converting for perks

BBC - Mark Easton's UK: Islam prison conversions

The blog of Mark Easton, the BBC's home editor
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk


www.independent.co.uk

Britain’s jails facing ‘growing problem’ of forced conversion to

Issue is a symptom of the increasing influence of Muslim gangs in jails, according to a prison law expert
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk


www.lbc.co.uk

Muslim gangs tell inmates 'convert or get hurt' and offer 'protection' to new prisoners if they take up Islam

Prison gangs are forcing inmates to convert to Islam with violence, a damning new report has found.
www.lbc.co.uk www.lbc.co.uk


www.telegraph.co.uk

One in five Muslim prisoners is white as ‘gangs drive conversions’

Figures highlight concerns that gangs in some jails are ordering prisoners to become Muslims or face violence
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk



www.barrons.com

UK Vows Action On Islamist Takeover Of Prison Wings

The UK government said Wednesday it will clamp down on "no-go" areas in jails carved out by extremist Islamist inmates who have been imposing Sharia law including floggings on other prisoners.
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Hall's investigation said Islamist radicals in jails had taken control of wings, creating Sharia courts to mete out punishments and barring non-Muslim guards from Friday prayers.

They have also separated out spaces in "kitchens and no-go areas" on the grounds that non-Muslims cannot handle halal food, creating "a regime within a regime", Raab said on LBC radio.

Prison staff were worried about responding for fear of being accused of racism, he acknowledged, vowing legal changes to protect guards and new investment to isolate the most dangerous radicals.
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Sharia courts in prison... You have to wonder if there''s any part of the nation the tories didn't ruin, as always politicians only really care about something if it directly affects them
 
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imtoooldforthis said:
So yes they do commit crime at a higher rate but that rate is still far too low to blanket label a demographic of 4 million as unlawful or whatever like @gavinh87 is clearly clucking to do given his 'that peaceful lot' comment when referencing Muslims.
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I completely agree that blanket labelling is daft at best, however to ignore disproportionate criminality from a certain segment of the population is also daft at best and downright negligent a worst - if it's the authorities doing it.
Of course 'certain segment of the population' should apply equally across the board - Muslims, Inner City Black communities, council estate working class white chavs, the 'traveller' community, Albanians, MPs fraudulently claiming expenses, Bankers, etc....
 
Moley said:
I completely agree that blanket labelling is daft at best, however to ignore disproportionate criminality from a certain segment of the population is also daft at best and downright negligent a worst - if it's the authorities doing it.
Of course 'certain segment of the population' should apply equally across the board - Muslims, Inner City Black communities, council estate working class white chavs, the 'traveller' community, Albanians, MPs fraudulently claiming expenses, Bankers, etc....
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You have to wonder how hard it is to be arrested and get locked up as a Muslim since they seem to be a protected religion

Also seems like their families and communities are happy to cover things up for them so that likely makes any police investigation extremely difficult...

and the Oh, It's not worth the hassle of arresting this guy because a mob will form and riot.

I guess they learnt from the travellers how easy it is.


Like the Guy who punched his sister who then died as a result of being punched, has he been charged yet? I'm guessing no


seems they have a habit of fleeing the country too, do an honour killing and run back to Pakistan etc to avoid ending up in one of our jails as a statistic.

Honestly makes me wonder, How many muslims are in Prison because they want to be there converting people and radicalising them, seems like they pretty much run the place
 
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Moley said:
I completely agree that blanket labelling is daft at best, however to ignore disproportionate criminality from a certain segment of the population is also daft at best and downright negligent a worst - if it's the authorities doing it.
Of course 'certain segment of the population' should apply equally across the board - Muslims, Inner City Black communities, council estate working class white chavs, the 'traveller' community, Albanians, MPs fraudulently claiming expenses, Bankers, etc....
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Im not saying it should be ignored and there are no issues to address, I'm simply saying that sarcastic comments like 'that peaceful lot' (in reference to Muslims as a whole) are a clear attempt to blanket label an entire demographic based on the actions of a very small percentage of offenders.
 
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The Muslim community had issues early on because many of the parents couldn't speak English. So the children who could had to help them. But it also meant when outside there wasn't much parental control. The only people keeping any control would be older brothers looking out for the family.

But also with the Muslim community they aren't like other immigrant groups. They have Islam, which is not only a religion. But has a book of rules they have to follow. Because the rules are centered around being Muslim, and in the time of Muhammad there were many unbelievers and outright pagans around them. So there as always been an inward looking aspect as the Ummah, the people of Islam, protects itself.

Anyone outside of Islam isn't held in the same standing as a Muslim. So as long as they aren't going against Islamic laws and practice then it's ok.

This happens to a lesser degree with Judaism also.

I think a lot of the people in power don't know how to integrate Islam into the larger community. They won't challenge differences, and wherever anyone complains they are immediately called racist, as though Islam is some kind of ethno religion. They seem to have a racist opinion of Muslims, which is probably causing some issues.

In my own opinion, the far left (who tend to be white and atheist) are stoking up integration problems. Because they have a negative opinion of their own country.
 
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