This looks AWESOME

cool. i hop it happens. i dont play any console FPS's

and tbh FPS's aint the be all and end all of game genre's.

it wont effect the majority of games, like pro evo, NHL etc
 
Fubar said:
And so with the above in mind makes using a unresponsive pad to play and FPS game is just never gonna work for me :( This is my only hope of ever being able to play games like GoW.
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Too bad a KB+M would not help in GoW in the slightest, the game isn't about aiming its about the timing, teamwork and strategy and the only person I've come across that can use the sniper to some extent is gord, since the turning speed while zoomed-in/fine aiming is really slow, which makes it difficult for him to get a lot of shots on target, but he manages most of the time. I doubt a mouse would make the slightest bit of difference to aiming (due to the above reason) unless the developers optimised the game for it, which lets face it will not happen.
 
wouldn't it make more sense for Microsoft to just put some usb keyboard and mouse drivers on the 360s even if its just for there own brand of K+Ms

i prefer gaming with a controller even on my pc although it would ruin FPS games :S
 
blimey, if racing enthusiasts can play racing games with joypad or a steering wheel, why cant FPS enthusiasts choose between a joypad or keyboard and mouse(or something that works similarly) :P
 
neocon said:
For me, cheating is using a wall hack in CSS, not what controller device you use.

There must be a lot of customers out there who want to play FPSs with a K+M but don't want to spend £1000's on a PC.

I love PC gaming.
What I hate is cheaters using software hacks.
Constant upgrades.
Bloated OS with continuous updates.
Viruses.

I'm not wrong that a console FPS with native K+M support would be a popular product.
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got it in one for me there dont get me wrong i love gaming on both but i have been gaming on my pc since before time ( well not that far back but along time ago ) and when i got a 360 as a treat i just found the controllers annoying to use after gaming with a k/m for so long and been able to use a k/m on a 360 would put me on the same field as the guys that seem to pwn me with there controllers like they are hooked up to there 360s via there head

blimey, if racing enthusiasts can play racing games with joypad or a steering wheel, why cant FPS enthusiasts choose between a joypad or keyboard and mouse(or something that works similarly) :P
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also very true its just like that when gaming on a pc with lets say bf2 i can fly a plane with a mouse for about 20meters before i crash in to the ground which is why i have a joystick its more enjoyable than crashing all the time
 
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To be honest that video looked like complete balls to me, half of what the player was doing with the kb+m wasn't even happening on screen. I'd take it with a big pinch of salt.
 
Buzza said:
blimey, if racing enthusiasts can play racing games with joypad or a steering wheel, why cant FPS enthusiasts choose between a joypad or keyboard and mouse(or something that works similarly) :P
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The only racing games where you would have an advantage using a wheel, would be games that are designed to be used with a wheel in the first place - typically sims such as Live for Speed. Using a wheel in less realistic console driving games would probably be a disadvantage, because they are designed with the joypad in mind. Enthusiasts/competitive gamers make up a small percentage, especially when it comes to consoles :) Have you ever noticed racing wheels for consoles always come with an optional lap mount? Because most console owners are just casual gamers playing from their sofa/bed and dont wanna be sat at a desk. Fps games on consoles are designed with the controller in mind too, so same dilemma. This is one reason why kb+m on consoles for fps games will never take off (thank god). Besides, judging by that clip it aint gona be much of an advantage. People will buy these thinking its gonna be just like fps gaming on a pc, but performance-wise they will probably be disappointed.
 
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i agree that the video on youtube does look crap with mouse lag but if they get it sorted which i hope they do this is good news for a lot of people that game on 360 and i will include myself in that group and people can flame me all they want :)
 
I think it is a good idea for the console as a whole and MS should let you use any keyboard and mouse directly without any adaptor.

For FPS games I agree it will unbalance the online multiplayer aspect but if it were possible to detect what device you are using then software companies can ban specific devices.

It does provide flexibily though and will open up other genres of games to the xbox such as RTS games. As much as I like FPS games its not an FPS console only so the more variety the better.

Also, if MS were to provide some sort of web browser (which I think they will when PS3 & Wii matures a bit more) then keyboard and mouse has its obvious advantages. Just my thoughts.
 
If you played a fps (or any other game that is much easier with a m&k) over Live using one of these it certainly is cheating, no question. As for single player - use a m&k if you like, just know that you've beaten a game balanced for a joypad and have basically cycled your way through with stabalisers on. Satisfying ;)
 
lowrider007 said:
Wooo ho ho ho merrrrryyyy chistmas, relax dude ;) , I own a 360 and I love it to bits but to be able to keep up with a mouse running at 2000dpi is another ball game all together, look at the video that was posted, you can actually it see it lagging, for some people that may not be an issue for me it is and I think for many people that are used to the responsiveness of a high quality mouse on a decent PC setup than it will be an issue for them also, hell people moan about 50ms input lag on tft screens.
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The reason is nothing to do with the 360 not being powerful enough. It's because the game is programmed to use a control pad and the adapter is using a mouse to emulate a control pad. It's not the same thing - the games aren't programmed to take advantage of the flexibility that mouse movement allows, therefore it results in the bizarre lag that you see in the video.

The 360 could quite easily cope with native keyboard and mouse support. Saying that it's not powerful enough because of dodgy emulation is ridiculous though. A crappy old Pentium PC could cope properly with full mouse support.
 
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Too bloody right. 360 games are designed with the controler in mind, there is way more to games like GoW than accuracy.
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Wasn't disagreeing. Just knew that you would have that response. I agree that the speed you have to move around in GoW is far better suited on a control pad. I just wish that run and get into cover were different buttons.
 
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Fubar said:
Which is why I don't play consoles, i hate sitting back and playing games, maybe I'm weird like that, but I see games as competition, I play to win, and I just can't do that in a relaxed state.

And so with the above in mind makes using a unresponsive pad to play and FPS game is just never gonna work for me :( This is my only hope of ever being able to play games like GoW.
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:confused: I see games as fun.
 
Phemo said:
The reason is nothing to do with the 360 not being powerful enough. It's because the game is programmed to use a control pad and the adapter is using a mouse to emulate a control pad. It's not the same thing - the games aren't programmed to take advantage of the flexibility that mouse movement allows, therefore it results in the bizarre lag that you see in the video.

The 360 could quite easily cope with native keyboard and mouse support. Saying that it's not powerful enough because of dodgy emulation is ridiculous though. A crappy old Pentium PC could cope properly with full mouse support.
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I'm perfectly aware that device does not give the 360 *true native* mouse support and that it is more of a convertor/emulater than anything, but that still doesn’t change my opinion, I believe that the 360 isn’t powerful enough to be able to support a mouse in game at a level of responsiveness that I would be comfortable with, I'm not going to change my mind until full native support comes out (if ever) and I am proven wrong, If that day comes then I will be happy to admit that I was wrong and throw the joypad over my left shoulder.

Yes of course a crappy old Pentium PC could cope with full mouse support but that doesn’t mean that everyone was happy with the performance of that mouse support in game, in fact at around this time I remember hardcore gamers starting to o/c their mice and not long after performance mice started to become a common product on the market place.

your saying that that "The 360 could quite easily cope with native keyboard and mouse support." but does that mean everyone is going to be happy with the performance of that support, most games on the 360 atm run at around 30fps and then when the action gets get heavy on screen it can dip lower, I know for the most part people would probably only be interested in using a mouse and keyboard combo on the 360 for first person shooters, I certainly wouldn’t want to use the mouse on any other type of 360 game atm, right? , Now I know for a fact if you go into into the PC GAMES section and start a thread asking "what would people comfortably accept fps wise for first person action games then what would it be?" I can almost guarantee that there won't be many people that say 30fps and below, so is the 360 currently powerful enough? , tbh I think it's subjective, just like it is on the PC.
 
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Warbie said:
If you played a fps (or any other game that is much easier with a m&k) over Live using one of these it certainly is cheating, no question. As for single player - use a m&k if you like, just know that you've beaten a game balanced for a joypad and have basically cycled your way through with stabalisers on. Satisfying ;)
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oh hell no is it cheating, using a wall hack,speed boost or some other is cheating its like saying everyone with a steering wheel is cheating or a joystick its just bull :mad:
 
Vixen said:
:confused: I see games as fun.
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A lot of people will, but with my competative nature, fun always seems to take a back seat.

So with a control pad I get very frustrated with little response which totally destroys any fun I might of been having when using a K/M.

Also the guys saying there is more to the game than aiming fast, ofcourse there is, it's the same in CS. And to think just because you are on a pad you think you can out manuvure K/M players is a bit optomistic, It's the same controls, and at the end of the day the way the game is programmed is the limiting factor here. It will be a disadvantage first I reckon for these K/M things to be used, but then as people get used to them it will become more or less level.

I'm not bothered at all whether I will be better than all the pad players, just that I would be able to play with my PREFFERED method of control, which is what I really want to happen officially before I go out and buy a 360.
 
I think MS are missing a trick here. Everyones saying that Keyboard and mouse are the best way to play a FPS, well maybe at the moment but why does it have to be?

Think about it, you've got a 105 key keyboard and you use WASD and a couple of others. MS could get their R&D bods on the game and come up with a control system that is both suitable for sitting on the sofa use and still offer precise FPS control.

Something like... ok I'm thinking on the fly but say a wireless mouse with a mouse pad that you can strap to your leg and a controller to stick in your other hand with just the buttons you need for moving, weapon swap, reload etc etc. Or even put those controls on the mouse. I don't know but I'm sure MS could come up with something better and no where near as bulky as an overkill full size keyboard.

Make it bespoke to the 360 and limit any third party designs (I'm sure they have the corporate muscle to do this) That way you have the choice of playing games how you want to and its still a fairly even playing field with 2 choices of control not a third party device that lets you use a £££ super keyboard and mouse combo.

At the end of the day I don't think people can really say "I hope this doesn't work because I don't want to use one and it won't be fair" games should be about fun and if part of that is using the controller you want then so be it imo.
 
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