Today's mass shooting in the US

Uther said:
I think we all know it will never change. Even after mass school shootings they just carry on as normal.
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It will never change because it would be a logistical nightmare, more guns than people.

On the flip side, no country would ever try invade the US, they'd run into an army of angry red necks with guns, by the time military got involved, they'd all be yelling yee hawww wars over boys!
 
Uther said:
I think we all know it will never change. Even after mass school shootings they just carry on as normal.
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Sadly indeed. You can't imagine a tipping point event which would change peoples opinions over there, if kids being shot doesn't do it then what would?

We do a lot of things wrong here but at least we've banned and strongly legislated against guns when the thankfully rare incidents have occurred. Obviously I'm not naive enough to think we don't have issues with guns in the UK but they're mostly going to be in the hands of criminals not random nutters who one day flip and go on a rampage.
 
C Kent said:
Surely you aren't that naive are you? Do you think those guns were legally obtained?
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No I'm not, but you reap what you sow. This is how America wants to be, so I shrug it off most of the time. This thread is about mass shootings of the innocent though, which is an entirely different topic to drug/gang related shootings.
 
dave28 said:
the large mass shootings hit out news headlines but the US has a huge shooting problem full stop.

28 have already been shot dead in Chicago alone in the last 21 days.
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Came to post exactly the same thing, and the vast majority have been shot with handguns which are used in 59% of gun related murders vs just 3% for "Assault Rifle" type guns (as they are misnamed in the press) which makes the media frenzy over them an utter joke.

Regarding the normalising of gun-related murders in Northern Ireland it was called "an acceptable level of violence" where a constant level of death just becomes "normal" and it's only if something unusual spikes that constant level that things even make the news as a big story.
 
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Werewolf said:
One of the NRA spokes idiots was shot by her own ~4 year old that she'd been proudly and publicaly training to use guns to prove how safe they were around kids if you only trained them how to treat them.
IIRC she left her "I need a gun for personal protection at a moment's notice" gun in her handbag that she threw on the back seat of her car (outside of easy reach in an emergency...) next to her toddler who then pulled it out and shot her in the back through her seat.

There are also so many pictures of American "guns rights" people with everyone in the family from the pre-schoolers up to the paralyzed, blind granny with their guns.

I suspect in this case it'll turn out that (like in so many other instances) the parents had the gun completely unsecured in the house where the kids could get it, IIRC gun deaths are now the leading causing of childhood deaths that aren't illness related in the US, with far more of them than car accident related deaths which used to the the main one and it'd depressingly common for a very young child to get hold of daddy's gun and shoot mommy, sis, brother, or their friend.
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Roar87 said:
This is just demonising responsible gun owners who show their kids how to safely handle firearms.

I've heard that computers can be used to access illegal material online, maybe we should all hand ours over to the government too
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Gun safety is one thing.

1) Treat every firearm as loaded at all times
2) Do not point the firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy
3) Know your target and what's behind it.
4) Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire

I'm not sure that tactical reloads is included in that though.

I also hope they know what's behind the wall they're pointing their guns at as well.
 
Roar87 said:
This is just demonising responsible gun owners who show their kids how to safely handle firearms.

I've heard that computers can be used to access illegal material online, maybe we should all hand ours over to the government too
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How about keeping guns away from a 6 year old full stop? Are you suggesting a 6 year old has mental capacity to handle weapons? When they reach their teens its a different matter but children of that age shouldn't be taught how to use firearms, they should be taught they aren't toys and don't touch them.
 
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