Yeah, which is why people that have guns use guns.
Today's mass shooting in the US
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Yeah, which is why people that have guns use guns.
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We know the USA is a lost cause, but in the UK it should be even stricter, restrictions vary between England, Scotland and Wales, why?
When the 22 year old shot and killed 5 people in Plymouth in 2021 the licenced firearm age age limit was 14 years old. Its now 18, thanks to those dead folk,one of which was a 3yr old girl.
When the 22 year old shot and killed 5 people in Plymouth in 2021 the licenced firearm age age limit was 14 years old. Its now 18, thanks to those dead folk,one of which was a 3yr old girl.
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What are we saying is success ? Instant red mist or slow agonising death because you tripped on the tracks and the train cut you in half ?
State level gun control doesn't help much when you can just drive across state lines and buy whatever you want though does it? New Jersey has some of the strictest gun laws in the US but most of the guns used in crime get purchased legally in places like Pennsylvania.
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Interesting you jumped on the accidental discharge story, but not the one above it where a 6 year old with a gun shot his teacher even though the school was warned 3 times that he had a gun.
lol, You can't just drive across a state line and buy a gun from any old tom dick or harry legally.
"You cannot buy or sell a gun in a state you don’t live in. However, if the laws of the state where you’re buying the gun from and those of the state allow, you can buy the firearm through a dealer who has a Federal Firearms License"
source please.
I read an artcile where the 6 year old in question had to have a parent with him in school at all times as he had some serious issues, the shooting occurred when one of them wasn't there for some reason, be dammed if I can find it now though.
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Yes. And the thing is, and this is why the public can't be trusted with dangerous toys, it takes three hundred million people to be sensible every single minute of every single day for "freedom" to be great, but it only and only take one person, one minute of stupidity to cause a disaster.
I mean why not legalise nuclear weapons? No one would be stupid enough to let one off, right?
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Was it in the article I posted?
Today's mass shooting in the US
You mean conservative leaning white folk are sick of everytime there is a tragedy, they're the first people being blamed for it with people jumping up and down claiming this was a result of “white supremacists” before a single FACT about what occurred has even been determined. Nah I think he...
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Might well have been, probably explains why it wasn't on other forums I usually go toWas it in the article I posted?
Today's mass shooting in the US
You mean conservative leaning white folk are sick of everytime there is a tragedy, they're the first people being blamed for it with people jumping up and down claiming this was a result of “white supremacists” before a single FACT about what occurred has even been determined. Nah I think he...
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Yeah I read similar, same article also said that the kid had said he wanted to set fire to the teacher, while he shouldn't have been able to get hold of a 'securely stored' gun, and get it into school, this certainly wasn't an accident, there was an intention to harm.
Why the bro'inlaw lived in NYC he said that it was cheaper for him to go to a range in Pennsylvania and get his ammo, and shoot there than it would for him to do it in NYC.
He also said that gangs would drive over to another state with tighter gun laws and commit crimes because they would be less likely to get shot, so I could believe the bit about guns being illegally bought elsewhere.
One of the problems with the USA is all of the states have their own laws, if they operated as a single country with a single set of laws then I think they would be better off.
Yeah, one of the guys does the same on a podcast I listen to. Price of ammo etc all factor into it.
Gangs dont commit armed crimes/homicides with legally obtained firearms, so breaking the law by traveling across state lines with a gun wouldn't bother them. It's one of the issues the 'just ban guns bro' folks often omit, if all the legally registered guns were banned all the criminals would still have weapons, It's one of the reasons why a ban on gun ownership would never pass.
Most mass shootings are tragic events with innocents being killed but in the grand scheme of things those losses of life are barely a drop in the ocean.
'Blame' the constitution for that one
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I think you misunderstood.
He's saying they cross state lines to commit crimes in places with strict gun laws, as the people they are going after are less likely to have guns to protect themselves/their property
Yes I know. Antifa do this quite a lot, very rarely are they from the city where they are burning **** down, let alone the state
Citation required. It makes more sense that gangs would find it easier to commit armed crimes/homicides with the wide range of legal, easily accessible firearms, and prefer them for this reason.
It would, because firearm restrictions increase the difficulty of obtaining firearms.
A total ban on gun ownership is not required (see Australia, for example) and reducing firearm availability reduces the number of firearms in everyone's hands, including criminals.
This is not insurmountable. Australia also has multiple state governments with varying firearm legislation, but it didn't stop us beating the gun problem.
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Well there's an effective ban on federal taxpayer money being spent on research into gun violence, but here you go: https://www.politifact.com/factchec...egal-gun-owners-commit-most-gun-crime-rep-fa/ Or here: https://gun.laws.com/illegal-guns/illegal-guns-statistics.
Some key points:
1. 65% of juvenile offenders tend to own three or more illegal weapons and firearms.
2. Five out of six gun-possessing felons did not purchase a handgun or otherwise get one through legal means, but instead procured an illegal weapon through the secondary market, or by theft.
3. According to a study conducted in 1997, which admittedly could be out of date but is one of the most recently conducted studies of this comprehensive nature, only 15% of firearms possessed by Federal inmates were obtained through a retail store.
They've already broken the law by having an illegal weapon, they are going to be breaking the law by committing a crime. Crossing a state line is the least of their worries lol
The gun problem as you put it was already on a downward trend in Australia, the ban that was implemented just followed the natural trend that was occurring.
OK, so nothing here about gangs specifically, nothing to prove that gangs don't commit crimes/homicides with legally acquired firearms, plenty of evidence to show that criminals do commit crimes with legally acquired firearms, and some of the figures are 26 years out of date.
Assuming they can actually get one. Reducing the accessibility of weapons makes this harder, and strict laws act as an effective deterrent, as we've seen in countries like Australia.
There was an existing, decreasing trend, but there was nothing to indicate that this trend would continue. The new legislation significantly accelerated the trend, resulting in historically low levels of gun crime and suicide. Not only that, but Australia didn't see a single mass shooting for the next 23 years.
Also, it's wrong to describe the National Firearms Agreement as 'a ban.' It was a wide raft of legislation that involving multiple measures, including new classifications for some firearms, and changes to licensing requirements.
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Ah, you are arguing the semantics over of the use of the words gang and criminal, gotcha.
Australia and the US aren't remotely comparable, that's like comparing apples and oranges.. As to mass shootings, it depends on what definition you use doesn't it. I believe a mass shooting in Australia is 5 or more, whereas in the US it's 3 or more. Using the US metric there's still been a fair few mass shootings in Aus, not quite at the levels pre 96, but to attribute that to the 'ban' is a fool's game.
There's also the fact that there weren't exactly many homicides in Australia pre NFA, and even fewer mass shootings, from my quick google it suggests around 18 mass shootings in the 25 years prior to 96 with around 300 homicides per year on average (for reference Chicago alone beats that per year in the US).
I didn't say they were. I said reducing the accessibility of weapons makes this harder, and strict laws act as an effective deterrent, as we've seen in countries like Australia. In fact you can look all across the Western world for the proof of this causal relationship. The US is unique among Western nations for having both the largest number of firearms in private hands, the weakest firearm legislation, and the highest rate of firearm crime and suicides.
The definition used by the Australian federal government is 4 or more. This was chosen precisely because it is the same definition as the US:
(Source).
Correct. Any guesses as to why?
There was a spike of mass shootings in Australia between 1981-1996 (including the Port Arthur Massacre). This was one of the main drivers of the NFA (aside from public demand for stricter firearm legislation, which was overwhelming).
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The population density, ethnic makeup, and guns arent glamorized and part of subculture identity. Whats your guess as to why?
My bad it wasn't 18 mass shootings in the quarter of a century prior to 96, it was actually 16.
Edit: Gun ownership has actually increased to pre 96 levels in Australia I might add, 3.2 million in 96 to around 4.1 million today. It's almost like given the historically low levels of gun violence in Australia coupled with a worldwide downward trend in gun violence is the reason for the lack of mass shootings/homicides and not your explaination that the gun buy back and increased legislation are the reason why...
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3 dead, 5 injured in Michigan State University shooting
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Michigan State University shooter found dead from self-inflicted gunshot after hours-long manhunt
The Michigan State University shooter is dead after killing three people and hurting five others.