Today's mass shooting in the US

Chris Wilson said:
But the thing is most Briish people, and certainly myself, don't give a monkey's if the Yanks shoot each other to the point of extinction, but we do care what's happening over here, and violent crime is all around with little to show that the police or the courts are willing to address it in a decisive manner.
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It's too late, the trend will only ever increase, just take a drive through the lovely crime ridden areas of London. Would never believe that it was a supposed civilised nation.

I was working in Barking a few weeks ago and a guy was stabbed in the chest outside the gate to our compound. Lovely infusion of culture on a Friday afternoon.
 
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StriderX said:
It's the lowest it's ever been but ok.
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Really?

Number of violent crime offences in England and Wales 2002-2022​

Published by D. Clark, Jul 21, 2022
Violent crimes in England and Wales increased to more than 2.1 million offences, according to police recorded crime statistics, a huge increase of more than 1.5 million when compared with 2012/13, when there were just 601,141 violent crime offences.


Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/288256/violent-crimes-in-england-and-wales/
 
MadMossy said:
Stopped a tesco express yesterday to grab a sandwich while working, an hour after I left someone was stabbed multiple times literally 100ft from where I was. These incidents are happening more and more frequently and are getting close and closer to home.
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Was it one of the old ones, a "stand and deliver" jobbie where you grab the horse's reins? Or a new fangled one where you put detonators on the line and tie up the driver and guard, Great Train Robbery style? ;)

But seriously, you have to dig into the news now, these crimes are being buried, whether with intent due to the demographics of the perpetrators, or just through apathy it's hard to say. I have my strong suspicions though.
 
imtoooldforthis said:
There’s roughly 12 million minorities in the UK and there were 594 murder in the entire country last year.

Coming out with hyperbolic statements about how “minorities should stop killing each other” is weak sauce.

Maybe white people should stop shooting up schools, only like 0.001% of the white population actually do it but that’s more than other races, so…
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Oh, so they should keep killing each other? Well that seems to be a bit of a sick point of view.
 
Dis86 said:
That's not what you said previously. Also the number of recorded victims has dropped. That's a key different.
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Well I doubt you can really hide a stabbing victim so presumably the drop is mostly domestic related? Bit difficult to say with the pandemic causing such upheaval.
 
StriderX said:
Well I doubt you can really hide a stabbing victim so presumably the drop is mostly domestic related? Bit difficult to say with the pandemic causing such upheaval.
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Victims of violent crimes don't just include stabbing victims as you're well aware. And you can indeed hide stabbing victims.
 
imtoooldforthis said:
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Ah yes pointing out your use of hyperbole means I think minorities should keep killing themselves. You sir have a very big brain
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Or I simply acknowledge there's a problem whereas you're so blinkered and stymied by your prejudices that you refuse to acknowledge a problem.
Stay woke son.
 
imtoooldforthis said:
Lol you are so disingenuous
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What am I saying that's not accurate? There is a massive difference in both the UK and States in the rates of crime between whites and blacks. That same trend is apparent with the victims. Should we not try and lessen the number of victims of crime? Do you like people suffering? You monster.
 
kinetic747 said:
Certainly makes mass killing a hell of a lot easier, over 60 in the US since the start of the year, all committed with guns unless I'm mistaken.
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Yes and if every single one of those people were given treatment for whatever mental health issue they were having, most if not all of those cases would have never happened.

If guns were banned, and they remained untreated it would be only a matter of time before they got hold of one through criminal means where the outcome is likely to be even worse, because no one would have a gun to defend themselves.
 
as above. page 4,500

226 pages and it hasn't changed one thing. Why keep discussing it. Pointless.
 
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MadMossy said:
Yes and if every single one of those people were given treatment for whatever mental health issue they were having, most if not all of those cases would have never happened.

If guns were banned, and they remained untreated it would be only a matter of time before they got hold of one through criminal means where the outcome is likely to be even worse, because no one would have a gun to defend themselves.
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Well that's demonstrably false. Why don't countries with similar rates of mental illness and firearms bans have the bleak future you're describing?
 
The only way banning guns works is if its viewed as a long-term multi-decade project. This is why nothing meaningful will ever be done, no quick fix exists and no ones going to hand in their guns based on the reasoning that things might be better in 30 years.

Even then you'd have to find a Democrat president willing to blanket ban guns (which will make them massively unpopular) and you'd then need Dems with the same mindset to remain in power for those 3 decades... not gonna happen is it.
 
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Dis86 said:
Well that's demonstrably false. Why don't countries with similar rates of mental illness and firearms bans have the bleak future you're describing?
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No 2 countries are alike so that would be impossible to figure out.

Rather than trying to prove a negative wouldn't it make more sense to ask, why is it that a country like Japan for instance where firearms are legal (for hunting and sport), has the lowest murder rate in the world and one of the lowest mental health rates across its population.

I just think there's way more to it, than just "guns are bad mmkay"
 
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MadMossy said:
Rather than trying to prove a negative wouldn't it make more sense to ask, why is it that a country like Japan for instance where firearms are legal (for hunting and sport), has the lowest murder rate in the world and one of the lowest mental health rates across its population.

I just think there's way more to it, than just "guns are bad mmkay"
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And yet suicide is through the roof...
 
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