Today's mass shooting in the US

[PlacidCasual]

Not a mass shooting, but still unbelievable:

Ralph Yarl: Black teen shot at doorstep after ringing wrong doorbell

Ralph Yarl's parents sent him to pick up his brothers, but he arrived at the wrong address.

www.bbc.co.uk

White male shot a black kid twice through a door, because the kid rang his doorbell after getting the address wrong.

I seem to remember a number of years ago a British holidaymakers car broke down in Florida and they walked up to a front door to ask for assistance and were shot by the homeowner.

Struggling to find story, if I find I'll post.

 

[Freakbro]

Guns and inbreeding really don't mix.

I was going to make some comment there about Lincolnshire being a heady mix of guns and incest, but just checking the figures and it seems Devon & Cornwall have the highest firearm registrations and West Yorkshire the highest levels of incest, so we are trying to keep them far apart!

 

[Junglist]

At this point I'm wondering what you can't get shot for in America. Probably quite a small list.

 

[Caracus2k]

I seem to remember a number of years ago a British holidaymakers car broke down in Florida and they walked up to a front door to ask for assistance and were shot by the homeowner.

Struggling to find story, if I find I'll post.

Homeowner Shoots Tourist by Mistake In Texas, Police Say (Published 1994)

www.nytimes.com

A businessman from Aberdeen, Scotland, wandering a wealthy neighborhood in search of a telephone after a night of drinking, was shot and killed early this morning by a homeowner who took him for a burglar, the police said.

Andrew De Vries, 28, who was in Houston on a business trip, was shot twice after he pounded "in a furious manner" on the back door of a home in an exclusive neighborhood on the city's west side about 4 A.M., said Alvin Wright, a spokesman for the Houston Police Department.

Also Japanese students...

Yoshihiro Hattori: The door knock that killed a Japanese teenager in US

An exchange student got lost in Louisiana at Halloween in 1992 - his parents are still processing what happened.

www.bbc.com

Yoshihiro Hattori knocked on the wrong door.
Yoshi, as he was known, was a 16-year-old Japanese exchange student on his way to a Halloween party in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. He was with his friend Webb, and they were lost.
"I didn't know that part of town too well, and I guess I took a couple wrong turns," Webb recalled in a recent interview.
The two boys, decked out in fancy dress, thought they had found the right place. But they'd made an innocent mistake that cost Yoshi his life. A media frenzy followed, and later a massive campaign to change America's gun laws.

 

[MartinPrince]

Here's a similar story from before this one, strangely enough it wasn't getting any air time over here despite the fact the girl was actually killed. Wonder why..

That's because the man in New York State was actually charged. One of main reasons why the story of the 84yr old shooting the 16 yr old was getting so much traction is because he was initially released and not charged.

 

[VincentHanna]

That's because the man in New York State was actually charged. One of main reasons why the story of the 84yr old shooting the 16 yr old was getting so much traction is because he was initially released and not charged.

No it's because black people get more favourable coverage than white people!

/s

 

[Caracus2k]

That's because the man in New York State was actually charged. One of main reasons why the story of the 84yr old shooting the 16 yr old was getting so much traction is because he was initially released and not charged.

There were also some other deference that might just be relevant..... such as the female in question and her friends still being in the car, trying to turn it around when she was shot, the suspect in that case coming out of his address on to his porch to shoot at the vehicle and him refusing to leave his address when police arrived.....

In other news the media maintain their weird tradition of using odd epithets to describe non white people.... today's word is 'scholar' apparently because the child in question plays the clarinet?

... to join the list of other used epithets like 'aspiring footballer' and 'aspiring scientist/ engineer/ Dr/ architect'....

At least they didn't make it an 'austere religious scholar' Like they did when they eulogised Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi

https://twitter.com/x/status/1647799742548541443

 

[Caracus2k]

No it's because black people get more favourable coverage than white people!

/s

White people shot/ killed by the police or by others in cases where self defence is raised demonstrably generate less press coverage, both domestically within the US and internationally. (Unless said whites are paedophiles, DV offenders or felons at a BLM riot trying to attack someone putting out their fires or trying to run away from them).

Whites remain more likely to die in police custody, on a per capita basis, when arrested by police for a violent offence in the US as well.

Blacks are 3.57 times more likely to be arrested for a violent crime vs whites in the US but are only 2.5 times as likely to be killed over the course of their lives by police than whites

 

[potatolord]

Whites remain more likely to die in police custody, on a per capita basis, when arrested by policebfor a violent offence in the US as well.

Do you have a citation for that?

Not trying to be obstructive, just there could be a range of reasons for that which a bald statement doesn't show...

 

[Caracus2k]

Do you have a citation for that?

Not trying to be obstructive, just there could be a range of reasons for that which a bald statement doesn't show...

Blacks are 3.57 times more likely to be arrested for a violent crime vs whites in the US but are only 2.5 times as likely to be killed over the course of their lives by police than whites

To be clear this *doesn't* demonstrate racial bias...


But plenty of people will cite univariate figures (say for black people arrested/ shot etc) and claim racism must be the main cause.

 

[MartinPrince]

There were also some other deference that might just be relevant..... such as the female in question and her friends still being in the car, trying to turn it around when she was shot, the suspect in that case coming out of his address on to his porch to shoot at the vehicle and him refusing to leave his address when police arrived.....

Relevant yes, but in the New York state case jurisprudence was seen to be working as expected. Person A shoots unarmed Person B accidentally entering their premises, Person A immediately gets arrested.
In the Missouri case Person A shoots unarmed Person B accidentally entering their premises, Person A does not immediately get arrested.

Which was my response as to one of the main reasons why one got more media traction than the other.

 

[Caracus2k]

Relevant yes, but in the New York state case jurisprudence was seen to be working as expected. Person A shoots unarmed Person B accidentally entering their premises, Person A immediately gets arrested.
In the Missouri case Person A shoots unarmed Person B accidentally entering their premises, Person A does not immediately get arrested.

Which was my response as to one of the main reasons why one got more media traction than the other.

You could at least try to get basic facts right. The male in question was detained by the police, straight after the shooting was reported, but not charged before being released.

Yarl’s case garnered national attention after Lester, arrested on suspicion of aggravated assault, was released from Kansas City police custody after 24 hours. Detectives investigating the case put in a probable cause affidavit filed Monday that prosecutors thought the case warranted further investigation following Lester’s initial arrest.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article274429645.html

The police releasing people, especially where they aren't a significant flight risk, after the initial forensics and interview process are complete isn't that unusual especially where there is a self defence aspect claimed and its over a weekend when the full DA' staff won't be in till Monday

On Sunday afternoon, the Chief of the Kansas City Police Department, Stacey Graves, also justified the decision to release the alleged gunman.

'The vast majority of cases to include violent crime involve the suspect being released pending further investigation,' Chief Graves said. 'In this case, the prosecutor requires more information from investigators that would take more than 24 hours to compile throughout the weekend.

 

[potatolord]

To be clear this *doesn't* demonstrate racial bias...


But plenty of people will cite univariate figures (say for black people arrested/ shot etc) and claim racism must be the main cause.

Ta.

Can't see that "whites more likely to die..." thing, but your response pretty much chimes with my thinking.

It's not always as simple as people want it to be...

 

[Zatoichi.uK]

Only on the radio this morning it was "black women more likely to die in child birth" with the conclusion of, well it must be racism.

 

[VincentHanna]

In other news the media maintain their weird tradition of using odd epithets to describe non white people.... today's word is 'scholar' apparenlty because the child in question plays the clarinetl?

... to join the list of other used epithets like 'aspiring footballer' and 'aspiring scientist/ engineer/ Dr/ achitect'....

At least they didn't make it an 'austere religious scholar' Like they did when they eulogised Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi

https://twitter.com/x/status/1647799742548541443

Anyone who has an academic discipline can be a scholar, in this case music.

"Last summer, Ralph attended Missouri Scholar's Academy, where he got a full college life experience," Spoonmore wrote. "His goal is to attend Texas A&M to major in chemical Engineering.

I've seen many people regardless of colour being called prodigy's. Would you have preferred that word?

Anything to discuss culture wars nonsense rather than the actual story, which was about a shooting posted in a thread about US shootings.

 

[MartinPrince]

You could at least try to get basic facts right. The male in question was detained by the police straight after the shooting but not charged before being released.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article274429645.html

The police releasing people, especially where they aren't a significant flight risk, after the initial forensics and interview process are complete isn't that unusual especially where there is a self defence aspect claimed.

You could at least read what I said properly and point out precisely what was incorrect; which incidentally was nothing as he was not arrested (charged) before release. Whether as you digress to say if it is unusual or not.

Once again, back to my original point, this is the difference between the two cases and one of the main reasons why one got more traction over the other. If you want to reply on that point then all good, if not then I'll leave you to whatever other narrative you wish to espouse.

 

[Caracus2k]

Only on the radio this morning is was "black women more likely to die in child birth" with the conclusion of, well it must be racism.

Black people having higher average blood pressures and being more prone to diabetes (both risk factors for women in pregnancy) are two immediate issues that should be accounted for....

 

[Caracus2k]

I've seen many people regardless of colour being called prodigy's. Would you have preferred that word?

Anything to discuss culture wars nonsense rather than the actual story, which was about a shooting posted in a thread about US shootings.

Articles discussing how gifted a child is will often use terms like 'prodigy' because it's relevant to the story.

Doesn't describing a 16 tear old as a 'scholar', in a story about him being shot, seemingly because he plays a musical instrument seem a bit odd to you?

 

[MartinPrince]

Only on the radio this morning is was "black women more likely to die in child birth" with the conclusion of, well it must be racism.

Which Radio show was it please?

 

[VincentHanna]

Articles discussing how gifted a child is will often use terms like 'prodigy' because it's relevant to the story.

Doesn't describing a 16 tear old as a 'scholar', in a story about him being shot, seemingly because he plays a musical instrument seem a bit odd to you?

He doesn't simply "play a musical instrument"

Ralph Yarl, a 16-year-old bass clarinettist, is released from hospital after near-fatal shooting

The talented teenage musician is an award-winning performer playing both the clarinet and bassoon in a variety of ensembles.

www.classicfm.com

Yarl recently earned a second chair position in the Missouri All-State Band with an honourable mention, and according to his family, is one of the top bass clarinet players in Missouri. He is also a section leader in his school marching band, plays multiple instruments in the Northland Symphony Youth Orchestra, and performs as part of his school’s Jazz and competition band.