Today's mass shooting in the US

He doesn't "simply play a musical instrument"


Oh I see .... the claim is that playing more than one instrument makes a person a 'scholar'.... and as such is of critical relevance to an article headline when talking about the person being shot in circumstances completely unrelated to playing instruments.
 
@Caracus2k - I like how you're rather more outraged at the use of the word 'scholar' than the kid getting shot in the first place.

I find that fascinating.

Yes let's ignore the constant race baiting of the press when it comes to the way they report about non white people who have died, been killed or injured.....

And save me the faux pearl clutching... circa 16 year olds being shot and killed in the US is pretty much a weekly event in cities like Chicago and we don't get presidents and celebs spending too much time on thoose ones because they might have to reflect on the failed polices they have promoted that have caused the awful societal conditions in many of the US's cities.
 
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Just talk around it as per usual.

I'm not quite sure what you would expect me to comment on re the immediate facts at hand.

Person apparently walks up to a door quite late at night and knocks on it/ rings doorbell.

Owner attends door with gun and shoots him.

In the UK, unless the first person was breaking into the address at the time, this would be a clear cut case.

Of course in this case there are conflicting accounts and so any case should rely on whether reasonable doubt can be shown for the prosecution case..

According to a probable cause statement, Mr Lester told police he was in bed when he heard the doorbell ring and so he grabbed a handgun.

When he saw Ralph, he claimed he was “scared to death” at the boy’s size and feared he was unable to defend himself given his elderly age.

He claimed he thought the boy was trying to break in and so shot twice through his exterior glass door, the documents state.

However, Ralph told police from his bed at Children’s Mercy Hospital that he did not pull the door – but only pressed the doorbell.


However, as already mentioned in this thread, there have been previous cases in the US with similair circs like in the De Vries case where the shooter never faced criminal prosecution.

Needles to say I think the US situation around guns and use of force is somewhat different to that in the UK and not one I would seek for us to emulate.


But what we do have with this case is the same old media malarkey.

The people writing these articles ultimately want clicks (as so few people actually buy papers or otherwise pay to read the news they consument so it's all about advertising)


And guess what they know if they use 'odd' epithets like this whilst amplifying often not well founded claims of other people's racial animus that the article will generate more interest and hence more clicks.

Basically we have incetivised the media to engage in weird reporting practices like this based on the races of the persons involved because it means there articles are shared more widely and hence generate more advertising revenue.
 
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I was going to make some comment there about Lincolnshire being a heady mix of guns and incest, but just checking the figures and it seems Devon & Cornwall have the highest firearm registrations and West Yorkshire the highest levels of incest, so we are trying to keep them far apart! :p

Having a gun and having fingers that arent webbed is the problem here, if incest figures weren't as high then they might be able to pull triggers ;)
 
Yes let's ignore the constant race baiting of the press when it comes to the way they report about non white people who have died, been killed or injured.....

And save me the faux pearl clutching... circa 16 year olds being shot and killed in the US is pretty much a weekly event in cities like Chicago and we don't get presidents and celebs spending too much time on thoose ones because they might have to reflect on the failed polices they have promoted that have caused the awful societal conditions in many of the US's cities.
Chicago is crazy, the new mayor they've elected is proper bonkers too, he's a full on defund the police/ let's have social workers rock up as 1st responders instead of the police. Always worth a 'giggle' to check this site out as it details how bad the city actually is.
 
Chicago is crazy, the new mayor they've elected is proper bonkers too, he's a full on defund the police/ let's have social workers rock up as 1st responders instead of the police. Always worth a 'giggle' to check this site out as it details how bad the city actually is.
Is that really his policy in all cases?

Or is it the policy in certain ones, a policy that it should be noted has worked really well in many places (including parts of the US) where the main reason you need a first responder isn't because of a threat, but because someone is at risk of harming themselves or confused due to a mental health issue*.
The police in the US have a really bad habit of harming people whose only problem was that they couldn't understand the officers for one reason of another, be it they couldn't understand the shouted contradictory orders, they were confused due to dementia, they didn't speak the language very well (great in tourist areas).

The Police in the US are routinely sent or decided to intervene in situations where they are the worst possible option because their training is that everyone is a threat especially if they don't instantly obey, and have little or no medical training and no requirement to put what training they have into effect, and no comeback for when they make things worse.
In areas where they've say teamed up a paramedic and a counsellor as the primaries on a response team with a say an officer as security things have gone much better.

The main reason the Police get sent to many cases where they're completely unsuited to deal with something is because they've managed to siphon all the money from the other services in so many cities so they are the only option, and that then means they get to ask for a bigger slice of the budget because "we're overstretched dealing with X cases".


*We've experimented with it in the UK and many forces now have "crisis" teams because it's been proven that a team of 3 including a specialist can work much better and have far better outcomes than say just sending endless police (who in the US will often be getting paid several times what say a mental health specialist is).
 
Is that really his policy in all cases?
Well he had to walk back his statements from 2020 to try and appeal to the electorate.
Or is it the policy in certain ones, a policy that it should be noted has worked really well in many places (including parts of the US) where the main reason you need a first responder isn't because of a threat, but because someone is at risk of harming themselves or confused due to a mental health issue*.
Just because something worked in a more rural setting doesn't mean it will work with Chicago where someone is killed every 15 odd hours and someone is shot every 3. The entire reason the incumbent mayor became the 1st in 40 years to not win reelection was entirely due to her weak approach to rising crime.
.The police in the US have a really bad habit of harming people whose only problem was that they couldn't understand the officers for one reason of another, be it they couldn't understand the shouted contradictory orders, they were confused due to dementia, they didn't speak the language very well (great in tourist areas).
Source?
 
Where did you get your doctorate by the way?

"His mother said" Gotta keep that sweet sweet gofundme grift going.

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"Life threatening" injuries and yet he's got a ****** little bandage around his head, no ventilator, nothing. Use your brain a little, I know it's hard.
 
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Sometimes you get thousand's of people at these NRA rallies, I'd be interested to see the reaction if a nutter with a shooter got a decent headcount at one of them.
 
Sometimes you get thousand's of people at these NRA rallies, I'd be interested to see the reaction if a nutter with a shooter got a decent headcount at one of them.
There would still be mental gymnastics to absolve the guns of any blame.

The country is beyond saving. I've accidentally rang the wrong door before. Never did I think that could be a potentially fatal ending.
 
Here's a similar story from before this one, strangely enough it wasn't getting any air time over here despite the fact the girl was actually killed. Wonder why.. :confused:

"His mother said" Gotta keep that sweet sweet gofundme grift going.

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"Life threatening" injuries and yet he's got a ****** little bandage around his head, no ventilator, nothing. Use your brain a little, I know it's hard.

There is something not right with some people.
 
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