Today's mass shooting in the US

wesimmo said:
Because that's the truth and one of the very simple things America could do to reduce the risk and still give the majority the right to own guns.

These people are typically mentally ill, and lone wolves as a result.

They're not doing these things for a wider ideological reason, it's because of 'voices in their head'.

But, except the extreme loons, I think most could accept a national register of gun owners cross checked against a national register of mentally ill people.
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I should probably know this, but: doesn't a severe mental illness disqualify someone from firearms ownership?
 
do_ron_ron said:
Some of the eastern European countries seem to have a load of guns but we do not seem to hear about mass shootings.
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It’s not just about having lots of guns it’s the complete lack of regulation, In the UK I’m fairly sure him reporting that he was hearing voices and going into a mental institute would have been enough for him to have his guns removed from him.
 
Broken Hope said:
In the US? I doubt it with the 2nd amendment.
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There have been laws in the past, but some of the states, especially the red ones have been rolling back even the most soft, basic and sensible ones.
IIRC maine now effectively relies on people who are not legally allowed to own a gun (ex felons for example) to be honest when they go into a gun store as they've got rid of all but federal background checks (which IIRC only applies to a very small subset of guns), wait times etc let alone any suggestion that the buyer of a gun should both know in theory how to use it, and have some sort of test.

As a bunch of people have pointed out, it's harder to get a lot of common medications than it is to buy guns in some states.
 
potatolord said:
I should probably know this, but: doesn't a severe mental illness disqualify someone from firearms ownership?
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Not really. Maybe it should, but in essence the current laws across states etc make it essentially irrelevant what controls are in place. It's like buying weed in the UK. It's illegal, but I bet everybody on this site knows someone who can get them some.
 
Werewolf said:
As a bunch of people have pointed out, it's harder to get a lot of common medications than it is to buy guns in some states.
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I cant believe this is actually reality

Also Biden come out and said about gun reform and it reported on the Daily Mail you look at the comment from registered Americans (which shows where they are from) what an absoloute cesspit no surprise places like Texas pop up.
 
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C Kent said:
handguns are still overwhelmingly the number one weapon in mass killings.
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True but at somewhere like a bowling alley you'd want the shooter to have a handgun over an AR15 with mags taped together. If I were going out with the intent of shooting lots of people I'd be choosing something like an AR15 with high capacity mags. You'd have the handgun as a backup and for close quarters.
 
Broken Hope said:
Look at vegas and the school shootings, AR-15.
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And?
Broken Hope said:
Plus there’s literally data showing that banning AR-15 sales reduces mass shootings.

theconversation.com

Did the assault weapons ban of 1994 bring down mass shootings? Here’s what the data tells us

Analysis of the 10 years in which the US banned sales of assault weapons shows that it correlates with a drop in mass shooting deaths – a trend that reversed as soon as the ban expired.
theconversation.com theconversation.com
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lol, if you dig into that it cites mother jones as a source, the same mother jones that excludes all gang related mass shootings for ideological purposes!!
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
True but at somewhere like a bowling alley you'd want the shooter to have a handgun over an AR15 with mags taped together. If I were going out with the intent of shooting lots of people I'd be choosing something like an AR15 with high capacity mags. You'd have the handgun as a backup and for close quarters.
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to be fair if its somewhere packed I'd be choosing the 'best' weapon I could get, failing that some sort of explosives or molotov
 
Terminal_Boy said:
That wasn’t the case with Ryan and Hamilton. Both known to police to be unstable and still allowed to retain firearms.
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The official story about Michael Ryan's FAC is as follows:

Lord Swansea asked Her Majesty's Government: 'Who sponsored Michael Ryan's application for a firearm certificate; what inquiries were made by the local police force into his character and bona fides; and on what date a firearm certificate was granted.'

The Minister of State, Home Office (The Earl of Caithness) - 'Applicants for firearm certificates do not require a sponsor. Before granting a firearm certificate to Michael Ryan the Thames Valley Police carried out normal inquiries. They confirmed that Ryan had no criminal record; that nothing was known to his detriment; that he was a full member of an approved gun club; and that the proposed security arrangements were adequate for the weapons which he wished to possess. The firearm certificate was issued on 11th December 1986.' Hansard
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If the Police had subsequent intelligence about him being psychotic then that was covered up.

Thomas Hamilton's behaviour and history of conflict with local people (over his inappropriate interest in their young boys at his hikes/camps etc) should have resulted in his FAC being revoked before the Dunblane massacre. He was also allowed to acquire more firearms and ammunition than he reasonably needed for his legitimate shooting activities:

...The chapter also deals with allegations as to his conduct with firearms, and in particular showing them to others and an occasion on which he is said to have threatened Mrs Doreen Hagger with a gun. I do not find it proved that this incident occurred or was reported to the police.

1.6 I am concerned with the question - How was it that Thomas Hamilton came to hold the firearms and ammunition which he did on 13 March 1996? I set out the history as from February 1977 of the firearms and ammunition which he was authorised to and did acquire. In the light of the legislation and the official Guidance to the Police I examine the operation of the certification system by Central Scotland Police. I find that the reasons which were given and accepted for his being authorised to hold more than one handgun of the same calibre were unsatisfactory. The authority which he had for the possession of firearms and the acquisition of ammunition was renewed without enquiry as to the use which he was making of the firearms. The underlying reason for this was the unsatisfactory way in which the Guidance was expressed. His fitness to be entrusted with a firearm was challenged by Detective Sergeant Hughes in a memorandum of 11 November 1991 after the police investigation of the summer camp of that year. However, it was decided that no action should be taken against Thomas Hamilton. A similar decision had been taken in 1989 after he had behaved inappropriately in showing firearms to a family in Linlithgow. I reach the conclusion that in the response of senior police officers to the memorandum of Detective Sergeant Hughes an unduly narrow view was taken of "unfitness" as a ground for the revocation of a firearm certificate; and that in view of various considerations Deputy Chief Constable McMurdo should have made further enquiries. On balance there was a case for revocation which should have been acted upon. The same considerations should have led in any event to the refusal of Thomas Hamilton's subsequent applications for renewal of his firearm certificate. However, the eventual outcome would have depended on the outcome of the appeal to the sheriff which I have no doubt that Thomas Hamilton would have taken... The Public Inquiry into the Shootings at Dunblane Primary School on 13 March 1996
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The Police also failed to revoke the SGC of Jake Davison before the Plymouth spree-killing incident, (even though he was being dealt with by a voluntary intervention program for two physical assaults he had done shortly before):

A member of police staff has been issued with a gross misconduct notice over their handling of Plymouth gunman Jake Davison's application for a shotgun certificate. ...

The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) is investigating how the apprentice crane operator was originally granted a shotgun certificate in 2017 by Devon and Cornwall Police.

The watchdog is also examining how Davison was handed back the weapon and certificate weeks before the shooting - having been seized after admitting the two assaults on youths in a park in September 2020.

Davison was placed on a voluntary intervention programme following the assaults - an alternative to being charged or cautioned.

His shotgun and licence were not seized for another three months until concerns were raised directly with the police by a member of staff working on the intervention programme.

In July, Davison was given back his shotgun, which he used for clay pigeon shooting, and his certificate... Article
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Sankari said:
Shooter's Twitterx account has been deleted, and his history wiped, but some people managed to archive it before that happened. He seems to be a MAGA type.

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Why would he do that. The ****, make it private maybe to be used for investigation if necessary I don’t know, but deleting and scrubbing all information? Why.

It’s so stupid.
 
Allnamestaken said:
Why would he do that. The ****, make it private maybe to be used for investigation if necessary I don’t know, but deleting and scrubbing all information? Why.

It’s so stupid.
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He’s a big fan of Musk and other hard right Twitter celebs. It’s easy to see how he’s been brainwashed and gone crazy. Musk doesn’t want the bad PR.
 
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