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Top Gun: Maverick
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Bloody marvellous, the most enjoyable cinema experience I've had in years. Yes, it has a few flaws but those pale in comparison to the positives, I can't remember theast time I grinned so much during a film. I concur with sommany great points in this thread about the practical shots and the visible impact on the actors, Maverick's practice run scene without music etc.
I think I'll go see it again in IMAX. It's put me on a high!
I think I'll go see it again in IMAX. It's put me on a high!
I went to see this today, never saw the first one (I will change that) but this was throughly enjoyable, it is an awesome viewing experience. The dog fighting and stunts were great. Left me feeling pumped once I had left the cinema. I quite liked the characters and the story was good enough to keep my interest and invested.
I do hope that future directors realise that CGI is just another tool in the tool box next to practical effects. Seeing them in the cockpits was good.
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I do hope that future directors realise that CGI is just another tool in the tool box next to practical effects. Seeing them in the cockpits was good.
How Top Gun: Maverick’s Breathtaking Practical Effects Were Achieved
Here's how the Top Gun Maverick flying scenes were made. See how the Top Gun Maverick cast and crew prepared for these Top Gun Maverick scenes and Top Gun Ma...
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Saw it last night and it was absolutely immense, I loved everything about it! Really pleased I made the effort to see it in the cinema.
It really makes such a difference when a director goes to the effort of using practical effects over CGI.
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Managed to get booked in for one of the last IMAX screenings near me this weekend, not sure 10am on Sunday morning is going to have me in full Top gun mood but looking forward to it
Soldato
Managed to get booked in for one of the last IMAX screenings near me this weekend, not sure 10am on Sunday morning is going to have me in full Top gun mood but looking forward to it
15 seconds in from it starting you'll be in full Top Gun mood in Imax, it gets you hooked as soon as it starts.
The first toned " Dong" of this soundtrack and your there man lol.Managed to get booked in for one of the last IMAX screenings near me this weekend, not sure 10am on Sunday morning is going to have me in full Top gun mood but looking forward to it
Pretty angry right now as the terrible sounding Jurrasic film is taking over my iMax screens this week and would have loved to have gotten to see it again.
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They even got the font right. Instant flashbacks.
That intro was great, proper goosebumps there!
Soldato
Saw the IMAX version, very impressive, an easy 8/10 all day long! This and Dune are easily the best two films I've watched in the cinema since before COVID.
The next part is only for military nerds like myself and had absolutely zero effect on my enjoyment of the films -
The next part is only for military nerds like myself and had absolutely zero effect on my enjoyment of the films -
For a film with so much US military involvement there was a huge amount of military "issues" in the final attack which could/should have been tweaked to make the film even better.
1. SA-3 GOA Surface to Air Missiles - this is a 1961 radar guided missile so completely out of place in a country with 5th Gen aircraft being used to defend a high value target, plus there wasn't a single guidance radar (the thing which steers the SA-3 missiles) in-sight. A simple CGI change to SA-22 or SA-27 (if they wanted real-world weapons) would have worked and still kept in the "it's Russia but not really Russia" theme but even a change to something non-real would've worked too.
2. IR Flares used to decoy Radar Guided SAM's
3. Laser Pod - The cross-hairs are automatically held on target using a contrast lock, so the aircrew themselves don't need to manually keep the cross-hairs on the target once the lock is made, it's done automatically since the early 90's - it's a nice touch to ramp the audience tension though.
4. Rooster not knowing how Swing-Wings worked during the taxi-way take-off ("why are you sweeping the wings forward" question).
5. Rooster knowing where the flares button was on an aircraft he'd never flown in before (adding a 5 second clip of Mav saying "here's the flare switch" whilst talking about radios/radar etc would have covered it). Additionally, the Flare button on the F/A-18E/F is on the throttle, not a big red "press me now" thing (would've been easy to film correctly) and the same with the F-14 where it's on the back seat "grab handle" sticks.
6. With an aircraft suffering so much battle damage, "doing a tower fly-by" would be the very last thing Mav would've been doing.
7. Wingmen - Hangman would have flown with a wingman when he saved Mav, there is never just a single lone jet sent out into known combat and he'd have jettisoned his Bombs/External Fuel Tanks after take-off to prep his aircraft for A-A fighting
8. G-Forces - All fast-jet pilots train for 9G, many have pulled that during actual flying too. Although Mav makes mention of "you've done G-Force training" it still makes out that 9G is some mythical/magical figure, it's not, it's fairly common in 4th Gen aircraft
9. Straining against the control stick with two hands - The F/A-18E/F uses Fly-By Wire like a PC joystick with no mechanical linkage between the stick and moving surfaces which have 3000psi of hydraulic pressure to actually move them so, other than the joysticks centring spring pressure (same a PC joystick), you're not straining hard to pull a stick. In fact only "active" sticks (those with a force-feedback system) used by 5th Gen (and Typhoon) work like the movie does as these will use the force-feedback motors in the stick to stiffen it, preventing the pilot from damaging the aircraft by being limiting the range of movement to keep the aircraft safe.
Again, absolutely none of these changed my enjoyment of the film, but it would've been nice to change the CGI SA-3's for something better if I could've had the film-makers change one thing on my list
1. SA-3 GOA Surface to Air Missiles - this is a 1961 radar guided missile so completely out of place in a country with 5th Gen aircraft being used to defend a high value target, plus there wasn't a single guidance radar (the thing which steers the SA-3 missiles) in-sight. A simple CGI change to SA-22 or SA-27 (if they wanted real-world weapons) would have worked and still kept in the "it's Russia but not really Russia" theme but even a change to something non-real would've worked too.
2. IR Flares used to decoy Radar Guided SAM's
3. Laser Pod - The cross-hairs are automatically held on target using a contrast lock, so the aircrew themselves don't need to manually keep the cross-hairs on the target once the lock is made, it's done automatically since the early 90's - it's a nice touch to ramp the audience tension though.
4. Rooster not knowing how Swing-Wings worked during the taxi-way take-off ("why are you sweeping the wings forward" question).
5. Rooster knowing where the flares button was on an aircraft he'd never flown in before (adding a 5 second clip of Mav saying "here's the flare switch" whilst talking about radios/radar etc would have covered it). Additionally, the Flare button on the F/A-18E/F is on the throttle, not a big red "press me now" thing (would've been easy to film correctly) and the same with the F-14 where it's on the back seat "grab handle" sticks.
6. With an aircraft suffering so much battle damage, "doing a tower fly-by" would be the very last thing Mav would've been doing.
7. Wingmen - Hangman would have flown with a wingman when he saved Mav, there is never just a single lone jet sent out into known combat and he'd have jettisoned his Bombs/External Fuel Tanks after take-off to prep his aircraft for A-A fighting
8. G-Forces - All fast-jet pilots train for 9G, many have pulled that during actual flying too. Although Mav makes mention of "you've done G-Force training" it still makes out that 9G is some mythical/magical figure, it's not, it's fairly common in 4th Gen aircraft
9. Straining against the control stick with two hands - The F/A-18E/F uses Fly-By Wire like a PC joystick with no mechanical linkage between the stick and moving surfaces which have 3000psi of hydraulic pressure to actually move them so, other than the joysticks centring spring pressure (same a PC joystick), you're not straining hard to pull a stick. In fact only "active" sticks (those with a force-feedback system) used by 5th Gen (and Typhoon) work like the movie does as these will use the force-feedback motors in the stick to stiffen it, preventing the pilot from damaging the aircraft by being limiting the range of movement to keep the aircraft safe.
Again, absolutely none of these changed my enjoyment of the film, but it would've been nice to change the CGI SA-3's for something better if I could've had the film-makers change one thing on my list
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Not sure I'd enjoy being rocked around while trying to watch a film, if I want a simulation I'd book some time in a simulator lol
Was absolutely fine. Exactly what I was expecting. Cheese, some laughs, fan service and excellent aerial chorography. Very predictable too.
Forgot the great soundtrack. Was enjoying it very much.
Seeing Val Kilmer like that though... Watched Tombstone again a couple of weeks ago... Damn...
About 20-30ish minutes in, I said to the other half, Maverick leads the mission, gets shot down, rooster saves him, steal an F14 to escape. It's either very predictable or I'm a genius!
Forgot the great soundtrack. Was enjoying it very much.
Seeing Val Kilmer like that though... Watched Tombstone again a couple of weeks ago... Damn...
Saw the IMAX version, very impressive, an easy 8/10 all day long! This and Dune are easily the best two films I've watched in the cinema since before COVID.
The next part is only for military nerds like myself and had absolutely zero effect on my enjoyment of the films -
For a film with so much US military involvement there was a huge amount of military "issues" in the final attack which could/should have been tweaked to make the film even better.
1. SA-3 GOA Surface to Air Missiles - this is a 1961 radar guided missile so completely out of place in a country with 5th Gen aircraft being used to defend a high value target, plus there wasn't a single guidance radar (the thing which steers the SA-3 missiles) in-sight. A simple CGI change to SA-22 or SA-27 (if they wanted real-world weapons) would have worked and still kept in the "it's Russia but not really Russia" theme but even a change to something non-real would've worked too.
2. IR Flares used to decoy Radar Guided SAM's
3. Laser Pod - The cross-hairs are automatically held on target using a contrast lock, so the aircrew themselves don't need to manually keep the cross-hairs on the target once the lock is made, it's done automatically since the early 90's - it's a nice touch to ramp the audience tension though.
4. Rooster not knowing how Swing-Wings worked during the taxi-way take-off ("why are you sweeping the wings forward" question).
5. Rooster knowing where the flares button was on an aircraft he'd never flown in before (adding a 5 second clip of Mav saying "here's the flare switch" whilst talking about radios/radar etc would have covered it). Additionally, the Flare button on the F/A-18E/F is on the throttle, not a big red "press me now" thing (would've been easy to film correctly) and the same with the F-14 where it's on the back seat "grab handle" sticks.
6. With an aircraft suffering so much battle damage, "doing a tower fly-by" would be the very last thing Mav would've been doing.
7. Wingmen - Hangman would have flown with a wingman when he saved Mav, there is never just a single lone jet sent out into known combat and he'd have jettisoned his Bombs/External Fuel Tanks after take-off to prep his aircraft for A-A fighting
8. G-Forces - All fast-jet pilots train for 9G, many have pulled that during actual flying too. Although Mav makes mention of "you've done G-Force training" it still makes out that 9G is some mythical/magical figure, it's not, it's fairly common in 4th Gen aircraft
9. Straining against the control stick with two hands - The F/A-18E/F uses Fly-By Wire like a PC joystick with no mechanical linkage between the stick and moving surfaces which have 3000psi of hydraulic pressure to actually move them so, other than the joysticks centring spring pressure (same a PC joystick), you're not straining hard to pull a stick. In fact only "active" sticks (those with a force-feedback system) used by 5th Gen (and Typhoon) work like the movie does as these will use the force-feedback motors in the stick to stiffen it, preventing the pilot from damaging the aircraft by being limiting the range of movement to keep the aircraft safe.
Again, absolutely none of these changed my enjoyment of the film, but it would've been nice to change the CGI SA-3's for something better if I could've had the film-makers change one thing on my list
Regarding the SA-3 GOA, I had a quick scroll through wiki and I don't think the Russians have a newer missle system to replace the niche roll it fills
Soldato
Regarding the SA-3 GOA, I had a quick scroll through wiki and I don't think the Russians have a newer missle system to replace the niche roll it fills
The S300-400-500 series covers that role. I think the CGI artists just picked something that the audience would automatically "understand" was an anti-aircraft missile as most modern SAM's are tube launched so the audience might not understand what a big vertical tube is vs seeing lots of missiles and "getting it" without the need to explain, but yeah it's just me being excessively nerdy