Tower block fire - london

StriderX said:
But surely the council or TMO has an idea of who was registered here (Saying that, a lot of councils are absolute dog ***** at keeping records).
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yes they will have the official tenants, but not illegal sub tenants, that is the point!

Cern said:
Sub-letting is something different and a major issue. But bear in mind that many many people sub-letting are UK or EU citizens and not illegals, often in employment, often without anywhere else to stay. There's a housing crisis, it's happening everywhere. So rather than demonising the sub-letters, let's address the wider housing problem, which is huge right across the country, particularly in London.
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my post has got nothing to do with demonising them but rather is highlighting there being an issue with them - namely what to do... there is a similar issue with illegal sub tenants who are entitled to be in the UK - while they don't have the threat of deportation form the UK hanging over them it could also be difficult to prove that they were residents too. And there is the same issue with the people who moved out and illegally sub let the flat in the first place.
 
dowie said:
yes they will have the official tenants, but not illegal sub tenants, that is the point!
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Yep, exactly. But let's be clear that "illegal sub tenant" is not the same as "illegal immigrant" although of course in some cases there may be some crossover.
 
Chris Wilson said:
Seems the owners of the tower block have a very Cavalier attitude to who is living there
and how the official owners / renters run their activities. Multiply the issues becoming
apparent here by all the similar properties in the UK and the lack of control of our borders
and lack of proper identification of those living here and the problem is probably massive.

Anyone guilty of illegally sub letting flats in the tower should be traced and brought fully to
justice. As well as bringing out all the bleeding hearts and those using any incident, however
disconnected, to trying to bring down the government, it has also opened people's eyes to
how out of control the housing market is in regard to illegal renting. As well as checking fire
risks in rented accommodation the authorities should do a full inventory of those living in them
and their rights to be here in the first place. Another can of worms is opening.
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Remember guys, the most important thing to take from this is to "send them back"!!!
 
Cern said:
Yep, exactly. But let's be clear that "illegal sub tenant" is not the same as "illegal immigrant" although of course in some cases there may be some crossover.
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well I don't think anyone claimed that. It is the other way round really if you're an illegal immigrant living there then you're likely either staying with relatives or in an illegal sublet - either way you're a sub tenant of some sort and not likely documented officially. That isn't to say that all people who aren't officially documents as tenants are illegal immigrants. :)
 
b0redj0rd said:
The political grandstanding around this disaster is grim. Why do we see the 'Socialist Workers Party' placards and people wearing 'Momentum' t-shirts at marches allegedly revolving around this tower block?
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Because they think the deaths were caused by "Capitalism", basically. I'm not being snarky - they do.
 
Amp34 said:
Remember guys, the most important thing to take from this is to "send them back"!!!
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Funny how so many always assume it is white people complaining about immigrants. Are you not aware of immigrants settled in complaining about new immigrants?
 
dowie said:
Well they seem to have perhaps been caused by: scummy contractor taking short cuts in order to increase profits. (allegedly)
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With the reaction from the likes of Momentum, you would have thought that no high-rise tower blocks in Labour wards have the same cladding ............ As there are allegedly 600 other buildings with the same issue, I'd bet there are yet, apparently its all 'the Tories' fault.
 
b0redj0rd said:
With the reaction from the likes of Momentum, you would have thought that no high-rise tower blocks in Labour wards have the same cladding ............ As there are allegedly 600 other buildings with the same issue, I'd bet there are yet, apparently its all 'the Tories' fault.
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indeed - it was stupid for people to have played party politics over this - cladding isn't anything new, councils in Labour and Conservative areas will have this issue and it will have been installed under both Labour, Conservative & Lib Dem and Conservative governments...

if individual councillors or inspectors have screwed up then they can be held to account along with any dodgy contractors
 
StriderX said:
No one want's to live there, because it's probably ****.
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So we spend ridiculous amounts of money housing people in London, where most English people cant afford to live instead of redistributing to places that make more financial sense? There are 3 bedroom houses for 35K that would be perfectly suitable, just not in the most expensice city in the country.
 
One question that needs answering is if the housing benefit cap is £500 how were housing benefit tenants living there.Tip of the iceberg though one only has to go to croydon to see the sheer waste of tax payers money on migrants living in the hotels there and of course the hotels charge £300 every night to the tax payer to put them up.I have no problem with rehousing these people even if it was in buckingham palace but the tax payer shouldn't be bailing about the failures of private profit making contractors.Here we go again with public money going in to private pockets.

Profiteering from tragedy.
 
Greebo said:
So you have lost everything. Your passport, driving licence, clothes, furniture, bank cards and you get given a cheque which you then need to wit five days to clear. Great
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Err, the tower block burnt down, not their bank.... They have an interim cash payment for immediate needs. Now, if having a legit ID and a bank account is an issue, well that's the other can of worms I referred to....
 
Greebo said:
Good to see the DE is sticking to the agenda that everything must be the EU's fault

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/81...ing-latest-updates-european-union-regulations
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The irony in all that...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ty-rules-grenfell-fire?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

A government-supported initiative to cut red tape considered a push to dismantle EU regulations on the fire safety of cladding and other construction materials in the weeks before the Grenfell Tower fire.

A document obtained by Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth, and seen by the Guardian, singled out EU regulation which covers the safety and efficacy of construction materials as among the first to target for dismantling. Among the products covered in the EU regulation is cladding.

The document was produced on 10 May for the Red Tape Initiative, a body supported by the government, to “seize the opportunities” of Brexit to cut red tape. Entitled The EU’s Impact on the UK Housing and Construction Industry, it picks out the Construction Products Regulation (EU 305/2011) as “red tape folly” which is “expensive and burdensome for small businesses”.
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Apparently they sat down to consider whethe to argue for its dismantling on the day of the fire and eventually concluded it wasn't a good idea...
 
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