Soldato
Normally either or, some have fully electric heating and hot water using a tank and immersion heaters. Others have a central boiler system and zone valves to supply heat to each flat.
Never a gas supply to the flats for cookers etc.
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Normally either or, some have fully electric heating and hot water using a tank and immersion heaters. Others have a central boiler system and zone valves to supply heat to each flat.
Never a gas supply to the flats for cookers etc.
Of course not, the 3 tower blocks in Plymouth that are impacted were clad in the late 90s, and only one party was in power in both local and national government at that time, and yet the new local mp is still trying to both take complete credit for the government instructions to check all blocks, and criticise the current Tory local government for the problem his party created.
The sheer amount of partisan politics over this issue is utterly disgusting, and yet it's nearly all one way, the other side is concentrating on the issues, not the point scoring.
yes... but do they subcontract that out to a consultancy firm or is there just some random dude whos employed to check stuff who doesn't really know what hes doing.
as it sounds like the supliers and the builders said its ok but no one checked the regs.
Generally no, building inspectors and building control require some functions (such as enforcement) that cannot legally be outsourced.
There are other approaches that have been taken to save money, such as resource sharing, but the responsibility for enforcing building regulations always remains with the local authority.
http://localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/...rovision&catid=62:projects-articles&Itemid=30
Generally no, building inspectors and building control require some functions (such as enforcement) that cannot legally be outsourced.
There are other approaches that have been taken to save money, such as resource sharing, but the responsibility for enforcing building regulations always remains with the local authority.
http://localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=27368:models-of-building-control-provision&catid=62rojects-articles&Itemid=30
righto so this is just gross negligence on behalf of the council building inspectors?
Not quite. Responsibility for complying with regulations is always the people doing the work. Responsibility for enforcing compliance is the council.
In this case, both parties have screwed up on a massive scale.
The responsibility actually lies with the building owner, not the contractor doing the work.
Soldato
No it doesn't. Health and Safety have progressed enormously over the past decade and do things and live in circumstances with that would be vastly less risky than they would in the past. Modern cities are far, far less vulnerable to fire than historically.
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Grenfell Tower blaze began in a Hotpoint fridge freezer and the building's insulation was more flammable than the cladding, police say
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...g-manslaughter-charges?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...g-manslaughter-charges?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Soldato
The building owner decides he needs an upgrade to his building. He employs a competent engineer (may be a company or an individual) to design the scheme, they will determine the material specifications to be met and produce drawings. probably method statements, risk assessments etc
The scheme goes out to tender, a contractor is selected based on price and relevant experience, capability and capacity to do the work.
The contractor supplies the materials and erects then according to the drawings and specification.
The client, consultant engineer or his representative on site checks and approves the work.
Should then be job done, somewhere there was a failing and it appears to be not a unique situation.
I am a consultant civil engineer with about 40 years total experience.
The scheme goes out to tender, a contractor is selected based on price and relevant experience, capability and capacity to do the work.
The contractor supplies the materials and erects then according to the drawings and specification.
The client, consultant engineer or his representative on site checks and approves the work.
Should then be job done, somewhere there was a failing and it appears to be not a unique situation.
I am a consultant civil engineer with about 40 years total experience.
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Covering up for the council?
Soldato
Grenfell slightly differed from that, the original tender was rejected and it was re-tendered via OJEU and won by Rydon Construction. I've read that the contract procurement was down the design and build route with the Architects being novated to the contractor. I don't know (or even if it is known) who was acting for the client during the construction stage.
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It could be a situation like with the horse meat scandal where an unscrupulous company is selling a cheaper/inferior quality product as a more expensive one, if they're undercutting all of those selling the proper stuff then it wouldn't be a surprise if most contractors bought from them.
Soldato
Yes, that would probably be his title, however I was simplifying a bit as there could be several roles but one key chain of responsibility.
Whatever credibility Hotpoint had left has just been flushed. Isn't it time Hotpoint and the likes stopped trading and putting lives at risk by using the lowest possible grades of workmanship and material.
The BBC also states "the Grenfell Tower fire in London started in a fridge freezer." - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40380584
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Were the electrical surges a contributing factor or is that still to be established?
My own feeling is that they are related. People kept mentioning regular power surges in the flat. These and a budget appliance surely don't mix very well.
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Generally no, building inspectors and building control require some functions (such as enforcement) that cannot legally be outsourced.
There are other approaches that have been taken to save money, such as resource sharing, but the responsibility for enforcing building regulations always remains with the local authority.
http://localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=27368:models-of-building-control-provision&catid=62
Only the person that signs the legal documents cannot be outsourced. Everything else (physical checks, planning application processing etc) can (and often is) outsourced.