Tower block fire - london

The external walls don't seem to have been compromised by the fire so not sure what difference it would have made.

The cladding put on the external wall would then count as being the external wall obviously :rolleyes:

The old regulations dictated that the external wall has to withstand fire for the minimum of one hour. When Thatcher got in she diluted these regulations which removed this sensible strict one hour fire proof regulation.

This is a fact which has been widely reported, but hey don't taker my word for it:

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Source = The Torygraph (So you can't scream left-wing fake news :rolleyes:)


It's crazy, have you honestly never read the unsubstantiated rubbish that flows from his fingers?

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Says the person who rarely if ever backs up his position/opinion with evidence and links!
 
The cladding put on the external wall would then count as being the external wall obviously :rolleyes:

The old regulations dictated that the external wall has to withstand fire for the minimum of one hour. When Thatcher got in she diluted these regulations which removed this sensible strict one hour fire proof regulation.

But the cladding itself might well have been illegal anyway. I'm not sure that the external walls themselves necessarily did break those requirements, they did seem to stop the fire from getting inside and between floors, it was the cladding covering them that spread it - it certainly isn't clear the cladding itself is covered specifically by those regulations rather than the wall as a whole. Regardless there have been Labour, Conservative and coalition governments since then - so blaming this all on Thatcher era decisions is pretty silly... if it was such a bad decision then why didn't Labour change it?
 
As soon as you place a material on the outside of a building it then becomes part of the wall and all external wall regulations would obviously then apply to this new material.
Otherwise you would have a loop-hole where contractors would chuck a building up that complies to regs. and then bolt stuff too it so as to bypass the regulations and save some money !

Indeed it looks like the cladding could have been illegal and doesn't meet the 'Class 0' regulation, but you see this is part of the problem!
Once you start watering down the strictness of safety regulations then stuff like this is more likely to occur, contractors are always going to push the safety reg. boundaries and cut corners to save money especially when the regulations are a bit wishy-washy and not definitive like a quantified one hour fire resistance rule!
When the safety regulations have very little tolerance or are open to interpretation then it is a disaster waiting to happen imho.
Whenever dealing with health & safety an over-engineered belt & braces approach is the best option, it gives you tolerance in worst case scenarios !

The removal of the old one hour external wall fire proof regulation certainly didn't help prevent the spread of this fire. And yes other parties should have re-instated the strict regs. but what kind of idiot thinks ''you know what, making the outside of buildings fireproof for at least an hour is a stupid idea, lets reduce that'' :rolleyes:
 
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You're just clutching at straws here in an attempt to blame thatcher... for all you know if the cladding was legal then it could have fulfilled those regulations anyway. Not to mention you're again having to ignore that there have been several governments since Thatcher all of whom could have put back those regulations if needed. It really is pathetic the way people are using this incident to play party politics, blame 'the Tories' etc.. but to blame it on Thatcher really is taking the **** massively
 
You're just clutching at straws here in an attempt to blame thatcher... for all you know if the cladding was legal then it could have fulfilled those regulations anyway. Not to mention you're again having to ignore that there have been several governments since Thatcher all of whom could have put back those regulations if needed. It really is pathetic the way people are using this incident to play party politics, blame 'the Tories' etc.. but to blame it on Thatcher really is taking the **** massively
As much as I love a good politician bashing it's true. Ultimately if there is an issue with the cladding or insulation it's not the fault of any political party.
 
As soon as you place a material on the outside of a building it then becomes part of the wall and all external wall regulations would obviously then apply to this new material.
Otherwise you would have a loop-hole where contractors would chuck a building up that complies to regs. and then bolt stuff too it so as to bypass the regulations and save some money !

I think you're on to something there. Lets build to the regs and then add additional cost by putting something on the outside so we can bypass the regs we have just built to and save money.

Go home you're obviously drunk
 
But this isn't correct. It's not legal on buildings over 18m tall:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...dding-posing-danger-to-thousands-of-residents

From the article:

The government has already said: “Cladding using a composite aluminium panel with a polyethylene core would be non-compliant with current building regulations. This material should not be used as a cladding on buildings over 18 metres [high].”

and

The company Rydon, and the subcontractor Harley Facades, the firms which refurbished Grenfell Tower had also been responsible for the Camden block works. Camden council has warned Rydon that there could be potential legal action.

“The panels that were fitted were not to the standard that we had commissioned,” said Georgia Gould, leader of Camden council who said people were now feeling scared. “We will be informing the contractor that we will be taking legal advice.”

I have read that and various other articles about the cladding, and it increasingly looks like some of the fault is with the contractors in your post, but aren't these building works then singed off by various inspectorates as to whether they are safe or not? this i think also includes an inspection by the local fire service\inspector.
 
so now maggies been blamed who's next as this is getting ridiculous. who's next the bilderberg group or the lizard people ?
 
so now maggies been blamed who's next as this is getting ridiculous. who's next the bilderberg group or the lizard people ?

Well it is partly her/her governments fault, just like it's partly the fault of all governments.

It is however more so the fault of a certain government that didn't act on recommendations a few years ago, but this isnt something criminal, this is electorally important.
 
I think you're on to something there. Lets build to the regs and then add additional cost by putting something on the outside so we can bypass the regs we have just built to and save money.

Go home you're obviously drunk

You're not getting it are you?

Getting the desired external finish that conforms to the fire regulations could be expensive, so they build a cheap basic concrete shell that pass's the fire regs and then bolt on cheap materials that don't pass regs. Resulting in the desired finish done on the cheap because not ALL the materials used pass fire regulations!

BTW)
Camden have evacuated one five of their tower blocks, good sensible precaution imho.

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All 5 tower blocks to be evacuated, 800 flats :eek:
 
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