Tower block fire - london

Zatoichi.uK said:
Were the electrical surges a contributing factor or is that still to be established?
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Agreed with others that I suspect this will be the initial cause. If the blog of the tenants association is correct that they had been complaining about power surges which were causing electronic equipment to start smoking then a fridge going up in flames due to a power surge is reasonably likely.
 
Wow, so not acting on complaints wholesale rather than just fire protection and then making it as flammable as possible, this council is a joke. Is the thing true that two people died had been actively threatened to drop their complaint by the TMO?
 
amigafan2003 said:
Only the person that signs the legal documents cannot be outsourced. Everything else (physical checks, planning application processing etc) can (and often is) outsourced.
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He's talking about enforcement in respect of Building Control, which remains part of a LA responsibility.

Plans checking and final certification for Building Regulation compliance has been available via approved inspectors for years now. We use them all the time because they are considerably better than the LA departments in both knowledge and speed. The truth of the matter is though is that most of the good LA Building Control Officers left the local authorities for private practices because of terrible pay and work conditions.
 
Even worse was the news that the day this fire occurred the Government was looking at getting rid of the regs which are in place to stop this (clearly ignored in this case) as it gets in the way of profits for business and is unnecessary.

Its all about money, money, money.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...tape-group-eu-fire-safety-rules-grenfell-fire

A government-supported initiative to cut red tape considered a push to dismantle EU regulations on the fire safety of cladding and other construction materials in the weeks before the Grenfell Tower fire.

A document obtained by Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth, and seen by the Guardian, singled out EU regulation which covers the safety and efficacy of construction materials as among the first to target for dismantling. Among the products covered in the EU regulation is cladding.

The document was produced on 10 May for the Red Tape Initiative, a body supported by the government, to “seize the opportunities” of Brexit to cut red tape. Entitled The EU’s Impact on the UK Housing and Construction Industry, it picks out the Construction Products Regulation (EU 305/2011) as “red tape folly” which is “expensive and burdensome for small businesses”.
 
Turns out this tragedy can be traced all the way back to Thatcher and her tory government who abolished the London Building Acts which ensured that external walls must have ‘at least’ one hour of fire resistance.

They replaced it with National Buildings Regulation which only stipulates the need for external walls/cladding to meet ‘Class 0’ regs & show that they did not add to the heat or intensity of a fire. Crucially unlike LBA they did NOT have to be non-combustible!!

But hey, elf & safety, red tape!! Who needs that getting in the way of profit-making !!!


 
C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Pretty much:

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While they certainly have complained about fire risks that letter doesn't seem to be specifically related to fire but rather just in relation to the blog making accusations about members of the council - it seems the people running it pretty much criticises anything and everything they can.

C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Turns out this tragedy can be traced all the way back to Thatcher and her tory government who abolished the London Building Acts which ensured that external walls must have ‘at least’ one hour of fire resistance.
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not necessarily, especially not if the cladding wasn't legal to begin with.. not to mention the reports of this sort of cladding being used in various other boroughs around the country and installed under various governments over the past couple of decades.
 
dowie said:
While they certainly have complained about fire risks that letter doesn't seem to be specifically related to fire but rather just in relation to the blog making accusations about members of the council - it seems the people running it pretty much criticises anything and everything they can.
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Why shouldnt they... they're now dead.
 
It was obviously a very carefully worded letter constructed by people who know the law inside out. I am still convinced though it was sent to bully the complainers into silence, well they are burnt to death now so no need for anymore of that :rolleyes:
 
C.R.A.Z.Y said:
Turns out this tragedy can be traced all the way back to Thatcher and her tory government who abolished the London Building Acts which ensured that external walls must have ‘at least’ one hour of fire resistance.

They replaced it with National Buildings Regulation which only stipulates the need for external walls/cladding to meet ‘Class 0’ regs & show that they did not add to the heat or intensity of a fire. Crucially unlike LBA they did NOT have to be non-combustible!!

But hey, elf & safety, red tape!! Who needs that getting in the way of profit-making !!!
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The external walls don't seem to have been compromised by the fire so not sure what difference it would have made.
 
C.R.A.Z.Y said:
It was obviously a very carefully worded letter constructed by people who know the law inside out. I am still convinced though it was sent to bully the complainers into silence, well they are burnt to death now so no need for anymore of that :rolleyes:
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Firstly there's no evidence the complainers are dead.
Secondly there's no evidence anyone died of burns. So far all deaths are down to smoke inhalation or falls.
Anything else you want to make up today?
 
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