Tower block fire - london
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Yeah I read that but it seemed like they were just speculating and didn't have any proof.
Apparently it conforms to UK standards
.Rather concerning if true
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I have a BA honours degree in TV and radio production. I understand how the media works.
Unfortunately you don't. ( it seems)
Your comment is not only wide of the mark, its also a typical response,and not unusual, so I can forgive your uninformed response.
That's all well and good, but I wasn't discussing the media, which is a problem because it means you have no idea what I'm talking about at all, despite being quite clear. I was talking about politics, the media report what they are shown, the politics is CHOOSING what to show the media, a media degree is irrelevant to discussion of this.
Again though, for the giggles I was talking about how you're crucifying someone for not pestering victims while praising a politician for visiting victims but achieving and doing nothing at all. Someone else said, is May a grief counsellor, is Corbyn, does he have a job to do or is his job just to show up for photo ops, how was what he did helping.
Personally if my life was just destroyed, if i just lost friends and family and all my belongings, I wouldn't want a tv camera watching nor a politician trying to hug me to show what a great guy he is.
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Uncalled for.
What about them? The big problem with fire prevention measures in these types of buildings is that they tend to be the first thing that get vandalised. You ever seen YouTube videos where people think it's funny to run around hotels with fire extinguishers?
Who's responsible for setting the sprinklers off? How do you stop false alarms setting them off? Who pays for the damage in the event of a false alarm? Who insures a building where the fire prevention is vandalised and in need of fixing?
"Sprinklers," is far more complex than just one word
the simple fact of how sprinklers are activated by heat?
they parent like the movies where they go off when an alarm is pulled or one goes off they all go off, theres a little glass fluid filled rod plugin them shut, heat makes the fluid expand and at a set temperature it breaks leaving the hole open and water coming out of that singular sprinkler head.
idea being they only go off over the fire.
They wouldn't have helped in this instance the spread was too fast and external. Also doesn't stop the sprinkler heads themselves from damage.
they would have stopped the fire when it was one burning refrigerator in a guys kitchen....
or at the very least dramatically reduced the time it would take for the fire to break the windows and spread outside.
have you ever in your life seen someone smash a sprinkler head deliberately or even heard of it happening?
you mention hotels all of which have sprinklers in their corridors but no one ever smashes them in, people just dont notice them, not like a fire extinguisher.
main risk is smacking them by accident with a ladder etc.
Yes mate, I work in the refurbishment of social housing and my company supplies external wall insulation systems, not this cladding type though, the more traditional type.
You'd be amazed.
With regards these types of external insulation systems this may be the tip of the iceberg. The last Labour government badly mismanaged grants for the fitment of them which created a gold rush of people looking to cash in on applying them. There's been a lot fitted by companies who had no idea what they were doing.
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Yes you solve one problem and create dozens of others which all have to be risk assessed.
I just read that story. Very succinct but absolutely harrowing.
isnt that what circuit breakers are for, i mean offices have FAR more electrical stuff than flats
having stuck a plain metal knife in a toaster while drunk, i dint even get a shock before the breaker flipped, and annoyingly set off the burgler alarm
If that was the rationale for the modern cladding I'll be very interested in the above statement as I have never seen a fire in a standard (un cladded) tower block of this magnitude.
When you/they say there are problems of heat loss in some old concrete buildings, compared to what?
Are there far more efficient dwelling types (in regards to heating) for the housing of 150 people?
Over what period does the energy cost of the production of cladding of a typical tower block become surpassed by the efficiency saving for inhabitants?
From my layman's point of view, none of the above questions look likely to stack up in favour of these cladding's.
The Metro paper this morning were quoting the guy who's "fridge exploded". It looks like this is the cause. To think if this guy just had a small C02 kitchen extinguisher this could have ended with a mild disruption in the middle of the night that most residents wouldn't have even known about.
Let's not go down this route suggesting the cladding was anything but a cosmetic upgrade to appease many of the surrounding residents (who thought the old 70's concrete block was an eye-sore). Their is even documents suggesting this was the real/main reason!
Source
Insulated cavity walls probably, concrete towers are notoriously lossy for heat, this would have (in theory) knocked quite a bit of residents heating bills.