Tower block fire - london

n111ck · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:20

Where are the mods telling us all not to pre-judge and assign blame for this incident????????????????????????????????????? etc etc

StriderX · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:21

Quell surprise as all the fascists come out.

dbmzk1 · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:22

mmj_uk said:
I know people like to cling to hope but the people still walking around with "missing" posters need to just accept that if they've not found their loved one by now then they are almost certainly dead. If I'm wrong they will have one hell of a surprise but they need to just start grieving process now.

Yea don't understand that really. Usually only takes ~24 hours for all hospitalised victims to be identified in situations like this. After that the chances are they're dead. I guess they're just clinging onto any hope they can, but I can't help but feel they are wasting their energy, energy they'll soon need even more.

stewski · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:23

If it's to be another government lead public enquiry as opposed to an inquest, please don't tell me anything meaningful will happen.

cheesyboy · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:24

jpaul said:
The horrors of the combustible polyethylene core'd cladding versus stone-wool
Fasade u pozaru / Facades in fire

Great demonstration of the difference there.

V F · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:25

mmj_uk said:
I know people like to cling to hope but the people still walking around with "missing" posters need to just accept that if they've not found their loved one by now then they are almost certainly dead. If I'm wrong they will have one hell of a surprise but they need to just start grieving process now.

One of the police I heard last night, I think... it was on TV (callling into one of the news channels) saying he fears it'll likely go above 100.

Rroff · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:25

dbmzk1 said:
Yea don't understand that really. Usually only takes ~24 hours for all hospitalised victims to be identified in situations like this. After that the chances are they're dead. I guess they're just clinging onto any hope they can, but I can't help but feel they are wasting their energy, energy they'll soon need even more.

Most people though have no choice but to cling onto hope until faced with some kind of closure. Its not like a switch you can turn on and off.

Caracus2k · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:25

StriderX said:
Quell surprise as all the fascists come out.

give it a rest... your the one suggesting the mob is justified in engaging in a bit of arson as the council 'basically' burnt them out of house and home

V F · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:27

Rroff said:
Most people though have no choice but to cling onto hope until faced with some kind of closure. Its not like a switch you can turn on and off.

Exactly. Look at the McCann's.

Rroff · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:27

V F said:
One of the police I heard last night, I think... it was on TV (callling into one of the news channels) saying he fears it'll likely go above 100.

It may be a little lower than it could have been as some who lived on the upper floors were still in places of worship, etc. due to Ramadan which probably saved their lives.

Its almost certainly going to top 40 though.

chief barker · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:31

StriderX said:
Quell surprise as all the fascists come out.

I think you need to calm down a bit.

braveheart · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:31

£10m upgrade but it was spend 8.6m so where is the 1.4m goes?? should spend fireproof cladding to protect people.. never buy cheap one so it much like to be criminal charge for this happen Council and building should have put protect building as upgrade but damaged done.. terrible one.. People have their right to be anger and demand an answer...

RoboCod · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:33

The protesting is a shame. At least let the whole event be over first.

If my home was burnt down I wouldn't be protesting that someone home me. It's a sad state of affairs.

I was discussing this yesterday and regarding the smoke alarm issue. I know it's a landlord responsibility to ensure safety but if I were a tenant I'd still be sure my flat had functioning alarms. They're all adults, they're not incapable of looking after such trivial matters.

RoboCod · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:34

braveheart said:
£10m upgrade but it was spend 8.6m so where is the 1.4m goes?? should spend fireproof cladding to protect people.. never buy cheap one so it much like to be criminal charge for this happen Council and building should have put protect building as upgrade but damaged done.. terrible one.. People have their right to be anger and demand an answer...

Fire proof is only fire proof to a certain temperature. Anything can burn. The cladding is fire retardant but it's still flammable.

chief barker · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:35

RoboCod said:
The protesting is a shame. At least let the whole event be over first.

If my home was burnt down I wouldn't be protesting that someone home me. It's a sad state of affairs.

I was discussing this yesterday and regarding the smoke alarm issue. I know it's a landlord responsibility to ensure safety but if I were a tenant I'd still be sure my flat had functioning alarms. They're all adults, they're not incapable of looking after such trivial matters.

They want instant justice - 3rd world style.

adolf hamster · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:35

RoboCod said:
Fire proof is only fire proof to a certain temperature. Anything can burn. The cladding is fire retardant but it's still flammable.

you sound like you're defending the cladding, when it's obvious that it was a factor in the propagation of this fire.

Caracus2k · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:37

adolf hamster said:
you sound like you're defending the cladding, when it's obvious that it was a factor in the propagation of this fire.

or alternatively stating a fact... the term often used is fire RETARDANT not proof

stewski · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:38

RoboCod said:
The protesting is a shame. At least let the whole event be over first.

If my home was burnt down I wouldn't be protesting that someone home me. It's a sad state of affairs.

I was discussing this yesterday and regarding the smoke alarm issue. I know it's a landlord responsibility to ensure safety but if I were a tenant I'd still be sure my flat had functioning alarms. They're all adults, they're not incapable of looking after such trivial matters.

Safe spaces are the thing?

awaybreaktoday · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:38

May should not be getting abused over this...

glenimp617 · 16 Jun 2017 at 18:38

Residents have stormed the town hall

Government handling of this is as predicted, a complete and total disaster