Training Migrants how to convincingly lie their way through EU border controls...

So are we dismissing the possibility that any of these migrants could be escaping any type of persecution?

The organisation just tells them the likeliest profile for asylum to be accepted. Whether you are an economic migrant or a migrant escaping persecution, you would lie to have a better life for you and your family. I think comparing these migrants to Nazi's for the sake of hysteria is a bit much...
 
No surprise the usual suspects would like Lauren Southern, a far right activist who uses sensationalism to stir up racial hatred with the typical pejorative racial slants to her rhetoric and not above spreading fake news to achieve her agenda.

She's even managed to get herself indefinitely banned from entering the UK, quite an achievement for a Canadian.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
So are we dismissing the possibility that any of these migrants could be escaping any type of persecution?

The organisation just tells them the likeliest profile for asylum to be accepted. Whether you are an economic migrant or a migrant escaping persecution, you would lie to have a better life for you and your family. I think comparing these migrants to Nazi's for the sake of hysteria is a bit much...
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Well, to Jews, not Nazis. But we get your point. No, we don't know that these migrants aren't escaping persecution. Some undoubtedly are. But what this NGO is attempting to do is reduce our ability to tell the difference. And surely we can agree that is a negative?
 
Freakbro said:
She's even managed to get herself indefinitely banned from entering the UK, quite an achievement for a Canadian.
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For handing out leaflets saying that as Allah is apparently represented in all of us that Allah is gay, trans etc... ..

Glad the UK border agencies are prioritising the really dangerous individuals.
 
Freakbro said:
She's even managed to get herself indefinitely banned from entering the UK, quite an achievement for a Canadian.
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Yep - for printing rainbow coloured flyers saying "Allah is a gay god" as part of a social experiment. She was detained under anti-terror laws for that.

If anyone is interested, a national paper (think it was the Guardian) did a big thing saying Jesus was probably gay. To illustrate that you wouldn't be allowed to say similar things about Islam, she made the flyers. And was promptly accosted and is now banned from the UK because of it. The flyers were explicitly given as the reason on the forms, btw. I'd say her experiment was a success and her being banned says more about us than about her.

YMMV.
 
Avenged7Fold said:
I think comparing these migrants to Nazi's for the sake of hysteria is a bit much...
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They were first compared to Jews fleeing nazi Germany.... Who were being actively pursued by the agents of their home state trying to kill them.

Rather poor comparison to migrants travelling across multiple countries to seek out the country they fancy settling in.
 
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lf anyone is interested, a national paper (think it was the Guardian) did a big thing saying Jesus was probably gay. To illustrate that you wouldn't be allowed to say similar things about Islam, she made the flyers. And was promptly accosted and is now banned from the UK because of it. The flyers were explicitly given as the reason on the forms, btw. I'd say her experiment was a success and her being banned says more about us than about her.

YMMV.
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The Guardian said:
Was Jesus gay? Probably
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The point of the video was to highlight what these NGO's are doing.

I'm sure Ariel Ricker is making a lot of money from exploiting a system that is supposed to be for genuine cases.

Who is funding her organisation?
 
h4rm0ny said:
Yep - for printing rainbow coloured flyers saying "Allah is a gay god" as part of a social experiment. She was detained under anti-terror laws for that.

If anyone is interested, a national paper (think it was the Guardian) did a big thing saying Jesus was probably gay. To illustrate that you wouldn't be allowed to say similar things about Islam, she made the flyers. And was promptly accosted and is now banned from the UK because of it. The flyers were explicitly given as the reason on the forms, btw. I'd say her experiment was a success and her being banned says more about us than about her.

YMMV.
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Ahh yes, the typical dismissive hand waving of right wing incitement to racial hatred. A "social experiment" my arse, just because she said she was trying to highlight and defend LGBQT rights by handing out "Allah is Gay" leaflets in Luton doesn't mean it's true....especially since she has written other articles attacking the LGBQT community. Thankfully the authorities aren't as easily fooled by the transparent excuse as you are and rightly saw it as just an excuse to distribute inflammatory and racist material.

She also keeps such nice bed fellows, since she was refused entry whilst trying to attend a meeting with all our favourite racist, Tommy Robinson, and a couple of far right Austrians, who are other peddlers of hate speech and fake news.
 
Freakbro said:
Ahh yes, the typical dismissive hand waving of right wing incitement to racial hatred. A "social experiment" my arse, just because she said she was trying to highlight and defend LGBQT rights by handing out "Allah is Gay" leaflets in Luton doesn't mean it's true....especially since she has written other articles attacking the LGBQT community. Thankfully the authorities aren't as easily fooled by the transparent excuse as you are and rightly saw it as just an excuse to distribute inflammatory and racist material.

She also keeps such nice bed fellows, since she was refused entry whilst trying to attend a meeting with all our favourite racist, Tommy Robinson, and a couple of far right Austrians, who are other peddlers of hate speech and fake news.
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But why is saying Jesus is gay pretty much accepted as free speech but saying Allah is gay is inciting racial hatred? Why wasn’t the author of the Jesus is gay article detained under anti terror laws?

What’s the difference? Why must one take preference over the other?
 
robfosters said:
But why is saying Jesus is gay pretty much accepted as free speech but saying Allah is gay is inciting racial hatred? Why wasn’t the author of the Jesus is gay article detained under anti terror laws?

What’s the difference? Why must one take preference over the other?
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Because context is important? One was an Op-Ed piece having a sensitive debate published in a national newspaper and one was a leaflet distributed in a specific area intentionally designed to be inflammatory and stir up unrest.
 
Freakbro said:
Because context is important? One was an Op-Ed piece having a sensitive debate published in a national newspaper and one was a leaflet distributed in a specific area intentionally designed to be inflammatory and stir up unrest.
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I'll await the sensitive op Ed pieces from national newspapers examining the life and actions of other religions prophets?
 
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Ugh wish id known beforehand it was a Laura Southern video so I could log out of youtube before clicking on it. Now my youtube recommended feed is going to be chock full of cretinous right wing grifters, damn you OP.
 
BowdonUK said:
The point of the video was to highlight what these NGO's are doing.

I'm sure Ariel Ricker is making a lot of money from exploiting a system that is supposed to be for genuine cases.

Who is funding her organisation?
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I think it's premature to say where the funding comes from. Both Jeremy Corbyn and Tim Farron have been involved in fund-raising efforts for an organization that financially contributes to Advocates Abroad (the NGO). But whether they're big contributors or a drop in the ocean (I suspect the latter) I couldn't say. The Open Society Foundation is involved with a lot of these so I wouldn't be surprised to see them there. But it can take quite a bit of effort to unearth the money behind NGOs so might have to wait a bit.
 
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