*Transfer Window 2014/15 Season Rumours/Signings *AKA Man U fans listing every player under the Sun

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Newbie007 said:
Lovren was very good last year, 16 rising to 20 with addons is very reasonable, especially when you look at arsenal spending the same amount on the young kiddie that's their 2nd choice (Chambers is it?) and Man City being quoted 30 million plus for the 4th choice France cb.
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This puts things in perspective well, Mangala is behind Sakho and only a year younger for the French shirt while Chambers has only played 21 games. That's nearly £1 Mill per first team appearance. :eek:
 
The problem with spending big on any 27 year old player or older like Ronaldo is that in 4 years you have zero resale value effectively.

Is vidal worth the equivalent of 18 million per year in terms of wages and yearly breakdown of his value with almost zero prospect of recouping any cash later?


If you're going to be breaking records you need to do what real do and buy players younger at 23-25 then at least you can sell them on later on.
 
You are never likely to get a huge pay day for a 30 year old and why would you sell them if they are still top class. If we paid 50m for Vidal and got 5 or more years out of him that would be great value.

Top players are top players. Vidal is a top player and he will lose some of what makes him so good as he gets older but pretty much all aspects of his game are very good so he won't become rubbish once he can't go box to box.
 
You could do that.

or you could buy someone younger who is still good and then sell them for a high price.

For example c ronaldo talk of people paying silly money, then whos the mug the buyer or the seller.
 
The Running Man said:
You could do that.

or you could buy someone younger who is still good and then sell them for a high price.

For example c ronaldo talk of people paying silly money, then whos the mug the buyer or the seller.
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except there are very few Ronaldo's, and buying young is a gamble (look at Anderson and Nani for good examples, neither of whom got to where they were meant to 4/5 years ago)

Given how much revenue there is in football these days - £40m today is more like £15m a few years ago.

Also you have to consider that Utd absolutely NEED a top level central midfielder this season, they cant afford to gamble on a 22 year old who might take 6 months (or a lot longer) to settle into the EPL / England before they hit their stride.
 
The Running Man said:
The problem with spending big on any 27 year old player or older like Ronaldo is that in 4 years you have zero resale value effectively.

Is vidal worth the equivalent of 18 million per year in terms of wages and yearly breakdown of his value with almost zero prospect of recouping any cash later?


If you're going to be breaking records you need to do what real do and buy players younger at 23-25 then at least you can sell them on later on.
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People say this and conversely use the fact that Shaw could play for the next 15 years to justify his fee.

But the reality is Vidal could play for Utd for 10 years and Shaw could let his contract run down because Real have said to him, sign on a free and we'll give you a 10mil bonus and 50k more a year than if we buy you for 40mil. So Shaw could leave on a free in 4-5 years and end up costing more and providing less than Vidal.

Having players to get you and keep you in the CL and winning titles costs more but brings more back in.

The reason utd's sponsorship deals are so massive is because Fergie offered the stability and certainty of top 4 and lets say bi-yearly titles at least. If you spent the next 5 years in and out of the top 4 and not winning nearly as much, the next round of sponsorship deals could go down rather than up.

Central midfield is the most important area in the pitch, it's crucial offensively and defensively and Utd are weakest there. A big signing there, that perhaps isn't the best value itself, could still be vital to the club long term.
 
The Running Man said:
You could do that.

or you could buy someone younger who is still good and then sell them for a high price.

For example c ronaldo talk of people paying silly money, then whos the mug the buyer or the seller.
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I'm sorry but who could we buy who is younger and just as good. Players with the potential to be world class go for silly money. Buying an established player who has proven their quality instead of a player a few years younger who has not is not a better strategy.
 
We need instant results and to inject some experience into the squad and that isn't something you'll get with a younger player. We can't afford to gamble.
 
You don't need to spend big money, you don't even need to spend any money at all, you just need to give Cleverley a season in midfield and he'll come good. Just play him in all 38 Premiership games to make sure you get the most out of him.
 
Currently we have Cleverley, Fellaini and Fletcher as the options in the position Vidal would occupy. None of the above should be in the first XI for a team in the top 6 let alone a team wanting to be competing for the title.

Pigeon_Killer said:
You don't need to spend big money, you don't even need to spend any money at all, you just need to give Cleverley a season in midfield and he'll come good. Just play him in all 38 Premiership games to make sure you get the most out of him.
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I see what you're trying to do here and I don't like it.
 
Newbie007 said:
Lovren was very good last year, 16 rising to 20 with addons is very reasonable, especially when you look at arsenal spending the same amount on the young kiddie that's their 2nd choice (Chambers is it?) and Man City being quoted 30 million plus for the 4th choice France cb.
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I think Lovren is a good signing and at 20m isn't too bad a price but in regards to Mangala we are paying for potential but also someone who can come in now and play how Pellegrini want's straight away and also means Kompany is not put out of place.

Mangala is young, left footed, quick, plays on the front foot, good on the ball with quick distribution, threat from set pieces both defensively and attacking and whilst 32m is a bit OTT we don't have much choice.
 
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I thought this was a joke but it's not: https://twitter.com/LukeShaw3/status/493559095811911681

The account that tweeted the picture deleted it. :p
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
You don't need to spend big money, you don't even need to spend any money at all, you just need to give Cleverley a season in midfield and he'll come good. Just play him in all 38 Premiership games to make sure you get the most out of him.
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Do you want some of JohnnyG's ban hammer as well?
 
Robbo said:
That's turned out well but we signed him in a much stronger position and he took quite a while to adapt properly. Poor example.
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Well when I said we didn't need to sign such a young and inexperienced keeper ya'll disagreed and yet we got dumped out of all competitions and de gea was right at the core of it.

But now we aren't in the cl so less pressure it's now imperative to sign only the most experienced players? Despite gk being experienced is like a number 1 attribute in that position for a top club?

Very strange how people's minds work in such contradictory manner on here.
 
The Running Man said:
Well when I said we didn't need to sign such a young and inexperienced keeper ya'll disagreed and yet we got dumped out of all competitions and de gea was right at the core of it.

But now we aren't in the cl so less pressure it's now imperative to sign only the most experienced players? Despite gk being experienced is like a number 1 attribute in that position for a top club?

Very strange how people's minds work in such contradictory manner on here.
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Why do I bother. :/
 
The Running Man said:
Well when I said we didn't need to sign such a young and inexperienced keeper ya'll disagreed and yet we got dumped out of all competitions and de gea was right at the core of it.

But now we aren't in the cl so less pressure it's now imperative to sign only the most experienced players? Despite gk being experienced is like a number 1 attribute in that position for a top club?

Very strange how people's minds work in such contradictory manner on here.
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We needed a new goalkeeper and he was a top prospect. He wasn't central to our lack of success unless you believe all the crap the media spouted in his first season. Goalkeeper is an important position and De Gea is easily one of the top keepers in the league and has been since he came to United. His shot stopping has always been brilliant and he has improved on his weaknesses elsewhere.

He has never had a super strong defence in front of him since he has been at United so its unfair to compare him to Van De Sar who had Vidic, Ferdinand and Evra in their primes.

We need to sign top players to replace the dross that we have in certain positions because if we don't then we might face another season without CL. You can convince players that you will be back in the CL after a season out, after 2 it becomes a little harder. We have players coming through that can develop while the first choice drive the team forward but we cannot ignore CM any longer. We haven't bought any proper CM for about 6 years until Herrera so we need to add some experience and quality.

You also will find that most players develop better when they have top players to learn from. What are Fellaini, Fletcher and Cleverley going to teach the next generation of United players? Mediocrity?
 
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