*Transfer Window 2014/15 Season Rumours/Signings *AKA Man U fans listing every player under the Sun

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Yeah, that's a pretty deadly front line... Right up there with Chelsea and City really.


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Walcott----Ozil----Sanchez
-----------Cavani


or


Hazard --- Oscar --- Schurrle
---------- Costa
 
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I'm not sure there's a huge difference either...

If Costa plays like he did last season in La Liga then he'd be the better bet over Cavani, but Cavani's been at a world-class level for much longer.

Ozil is probably better than Oscar overall, though both suffer from inconsistency.

Hazard is the best of the wingers, but Sanchez isn't a million miles away. Walcott vs Schurrle is a tough call tbh.

All in all, it seems fairly even to me...
 
As a Gooner Im failry sure Cavani to Arsenal will not happen!

Wenger wont splash the rest of the money especialy after spending 60mill already.

Unless Arsenal are sitting on a gold mine and can generate cash ever season...
 
opethdisciple said:
Unless Arsenal are sitting on a gold mine and can generate cash ever season...
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Well, Emirates stadium has a 60k capacity, and ticket prices are by far the highest in the league. As far as match-day revenue goes, Arsenal are top of the pile.

I don't expect Wenger will splash £50m on a striker either, but it might be viable.
 
Would prefer Arsenal's line up obviously :p Yea, but there isn't much in it at all, very equal. Probably a bit more pace overall in the Arsenal line up. I don't think they will spend £45+ on Cavani as well, especially after spending 60 already, unless of course this is the year to pounce and try and get a league title under our belts..players like Cavani don't come around often..
 
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Dunno, before Cavani and Sanchez moved on from Italy, they where both prolific in that league.

Plus we have Ozil which before he moved to Arsenal was rated the best player in that position.
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He was prolific in the Italian league?

10/11 12 goals 71 shots, 31 games.
09/10 5 goals 56 shots 32 games
08/09 3 goals 47 shots 32 games(this was 18 starts + 14 sub appearances, other two years were say 85-90% starts).

Outside of last season with Barca he's rarely scored particularly well. He had an excellent last season but I think that seems to have fooled a hell of a lot of people. 75-80% of his games for barca were like he played for us yesterday. Holds the ball too long, misses a huge portion of passes, has a good eye for making the right pass, good vision but not the talent to back that up mostly.

With messi out a lot more chances fell to him than previous years and he played further forward. Playing deeper/behind Messi he's meh, because his crossing, passing and dribbling isn't great. He is fast without the ball but rarely shows the same pace on the ball.

We need to be playing a specific way to get the same kind of season out of him as he had last year. That is playing faster, more direct and getting him on the end of moves, not involved in the start/middle of moves because he breaks them down more than drives them forward.

Last year was a 8-9/10 season for him, his other seasons are 6-7/10 seasons at best. I have no idea where the idea he was prolific came from. Last season was his one and only season breaking 20 goals including every competition for club and country.

By comparison Cavani had a "meh" season for PSG with 16 goals, scored 34 goals for club and country in all competitions, that is 7 more than in Sanchez's best season. Cavani had 29 league goals at Napoli and 40 in all for the season the year before. 09/10 was the last season Cavani had less than 30 goals total for the season with only 15 goals(playing for Palermo and not first team for Uruguay either).
 
Sanchez is a winger though, not really comparably to an out and out striker..but yea, Sanchez isn't really a goal scorer as such. It's good he can chip in with 15/20 goals hopefully, that's a lot for a winger..
 
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opethdisciple said:
To clarify, Sanchez was voted Player of the year in Italy the season he moved on to Barca.
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I'm not sure what relates that to him being prolific. As for player of the season awards...... lol, the majority are incorrect, popularity contests nothing useful or worth talking about.

Remember how people were saying Sanchez was brilliant in Chile's final game in the world cup, he wasn't, he was terrible. Looking exciting tends to win player of the year/game/tournament awards over actually being great. The spins in a circle "beating" three players trying to win the ball off him for 10 seconds before losing the ball anyway was basically how you could describe his final game in the world cup. Looked like he was doing a lot but achieved nothing, ignored simple passes to run into a dead end.

He gets a lot of the ball, runs about a lot, gets a lot of touches but ultimately gifted the ball away more than any other player in the entire world cup, created incredibly little and outside of the final third was counter productive rather than just ineffective.

He's good at what he's good at, but he's limited and we're currently(across three games) entirely playing to his weaknesses not his strengths. I can't recall a single attack in his three appearances in which we've pushed him upfront and actually provided him with passes in behind to run on to, he's barely taken a shot and his wing play has been very poor.

Barca would play a 4-3-3 in which the three central mids are fairly deep, the fullbacks push way up and the wide attackers(Pedro, Sanchez, Neymar, Messi, whoever) tends to push very central and do most of their work in/around the box. We're currently playing effectively 4-1-4-1 or 4-2-3-1, in which the wide attackers are playing wider, deeper and Sanchez has had most of his touches outside the final third and no where he's effective.

We effectively play two central mids rather than the three Barca have with one player in the 10 role ahead of those central mids, who doesn't help in midfield, as such the wingers/wide men play deeper and are getting more of the ball at the half way line rather than at the edge of the box.
 
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I'm not sure what relates that to him being prolific. As for player of the season awards...... lol, the majority are incorrect, popularity contests nothing useful or worth talking about.

Remember how people were saying Sanchez was brilliant in Chile's final game in the world cup, he wasn't, he was terrible. Looking exciting tends to win player of the year/game/tournament awards over actually being great. The spins in a circle "beating" three players trying to win the ball off him for 10 seconds before losing the ball anyway was basically how you could describe his final game in the world cup. Looked like he was doing a lot but achieved nothing, ignored simple passes to run into a dead end.

He gets a lot of the ball, runs about a lot, gets a lot of touches but ultimately gifted the ball away more than any other player in the entire world cup, created incredibly little and outside of the final third was counter productive rather than just ineffective.

He's good at what he's good at, but he's limited and we're currently(across three games) entirely playing to his weaknesses not his strengths. I can't recall a single attack in his three appearances in which we've pushed him upfront and actually provided him with passes in behind to run on to, he's barely taken a shot and his wing play has been very poor.

Barca would play a 4-3-3 in which the three central mids are fairly deep, the fullbacks push way up and the wide attackers(Pedro, Sanchez, Neymar, Messi, whoever) tends to push very central and do most of their work in/around the box. We're currently playing effectively 4-1-4-1 or 4-2-3-1, in which the wide attackers are playing wider, deeper and Sanchez has had most of his touches outside the final third and no where he's effective.

We effectively play two central mids rather than the three Barca have with one player in the 10 role ahead of those central mids, who doesn't help in midfield, as such the wingers/wide men play deeper and are getting more of the ball at the half way line rather than at the edge of the box.
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Ever thought of taking up professional football management? :p

I mean that lightheartedly. You may have a point. But he can't be half as bad as you make out for both Barca and Arsenal to think he is worth big transfer fees.
 
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opethdisciple said:
Ever thought of taking up professional football management? :p

I mean that lightheartedly. You may have a point. But he can't be half as bad as you make out for both Barca and Arsenal to think he is worth big transfer fees.
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Arsenal dumped Gilberto to give Song more games, Barcelona bought Song for something like £15million.... big teams are wrong all the time.

Same thing happened with Hleb and pushing Pires out of the club for the laughably awful plonker. Barca went ahead and bought him and used him basically not at all because he's terrible, Birmingham got him on loan and realised he was ****.


I also haven't said he's bad, there is no need for every player to be good at everything. However one of the reasons Arsenal never win the big games is we have little to no balance. He's very good at what he's good at. But in three games we haven't played a team designed to get the best out of him. He could score 20+ goals a season if we play him as a striker and look to play balls in behind and look to slide through balls behind the CB's for him and Ramsey to get on to. In three games we haven't seen a hint of playing that way.

I really don't think there is room in the team for him, Walcott and Ramsey. I'd actually happily see Walcott sold(injury prone and lack of quality), Sanchez is FAR stronger than Walcott(when he's not diving) and would suit playing the striker role a hell of a lot more than Walcott just for that reason. Walcott is not only a big girl, he's physically weak and he gets injured. If we played him upfront he'd be bullied and injured after a few games. Sanchez up top and bring in a better winger than Walcott and that would be great.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
By comparison Cavani had a "meh" season for PSG with 16 goals, scored 34 goals for club and country in all competitions, that is 7 more than in Sanchez's best season. Cavani had 29 league goals at Napoli and 40 in all for the season the year before. 09/10 was the last season Cavani had less than 30 goals total for the season with only 15 goals(playing for Palermo and not first team for Uruguay either).
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Unfair to say it was a "meh" (I hate that "word") season But he was playing second fiddle to Ibrahimovic and pushed out wide (on the left) most of last year. So tbf 16 goals is a pretty good return - those 16 only came from 30 games as well.
 
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