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Shockingly awful line up, 4-3-3 where both the 3's are narrow as crap, leaving fullbacks needing to bang on, which would leave 2 cb's on the counter with three CM's of which none are good defensively....

If, and I mean IF you were to play any kind of 4-3-3 it would need to be a front three with two wide players and one central striker, so the team has width, doesn't entirely rely on fullbacks and leave the defence horrendously weak.

To play that particular line up you'd need two absolutely world class CB's, a much much better fullback than Jones and a truly exceptional defensive midfielder.
 
Carrick is decent as well, definitely. They could fight it out, i'd be more inclined to put Fell in there as he's not a wimp..:p

Strength is not a requirement of a defensive midfielder, it's not unwanted, but it's not the primary requirement. Temperament is important, Fellaini is an idiot in that regard. Reading the game is important, Fellaini is poor at this, not giving away possession and being able to turn defence to attack with quick turn around of the ball, also doesn't suit him. Tackling... nope, he's a foul machine.

The reason Fellaini looks crap when deployed as a defensive midifielder is because... he's crap when he's played as a defensive midfielder.

As for Carrick, he is woeful defensively. He has no pace, I've literally never seen an opposition player(against the current Carrick so lets say the past 5 years) ever look at Carrick and turn around like he can't be beaten. He's slow, not a great tackler, I've not seen him impose himself on a game in over 5 years. The team has been carrying Carrick for years, there is no drive, no strength, no pace. He doesn't worry any offence in the league at all, people run around him like he's not there.
 
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Shockingly awful line up, 4-3-3 where both the 3's are narrow as crap, leaving fullbacks needing to bang on, which would leave 2 cb's on the counter with three CM's of which none are good defensively....

If, and I mean IF you were to play any kind of 4-3-3 it would need to be a front three with two wide players and one central striker, so the team has width, doesn't entirely rely on fullbacks and leave the defence horrendously weak.

To play that particular line up you'd need two absolutely world class CB's, a much much better fullback than Jones and a truly exceptional defensive midfielder.


You play your best team then adapt the formation, not the other way round. Notice why LVG has played 3 at the back? because United's defence isn't that strong..
 
Strength is not a requirement of a defensive midfielder, it's not unwanted, but it's not the primary requirement. Temperament is important, Fellaini is an idiot in that regard. Reading the game is important, Fellaini is poor at this, not giving away possession and being able to turn defence to attack with quick turn around of the ball, also doesn't suit him. Tackling... nope, he's a foul machine.

The reason Fellaini looks crap when deployed as a defensive midifielder is because... he's crap when he's played as a defensive midfielder.

Bendtner?
 
You play your best team then adapt the formation, not the other way round. Notice why LVG has played 3 at the back? because United's defence isn't that strong..

Yet you picked not the best team they chose the worst formation for that particular squad? You say something entirely ridiculous, get called on it, then post something that contradicts your first post as if it's unknown knowledge... okay.

Yes I know LVG is playing 3 because their defence isn't that strong, yet you've picked a line up which is significantly less strong, so what's your point here, that you know you should pick the best team and then use a formation that suits them.... but you decided to do neither in picking that formation?

Bendtner?

I'm trying to work out precisely what your point is but as usual when you post, I just end up wondering if you are posting from an insane asylum.
 
He's got to play wide in a 4-3-3 or at the very least in a free role off the front. Playing him as a midfielder or a wingback as has been mentioned as a possibility is mental.
 
He did play as part of a midfield 3 last season though, in a sort of box to box role. He can do that, but we don't have Modric and Alonso next to him.

I agree we'd have to look at playing with wingers if we got him, LvG called him the kind of winger we were lacking, so...
 
Where would you play Di Maria in our team, DM?

Depends entirely on who else you bought frankly.

You could go anything from a 3-5-2 Holland style formation in which you play a fast player who can carry the ball forward well alongside RVP, with Di Maria in the Robben role, or play him instead of Mata to give the team more of a dynamic more varied player in that role. If you have the players fit Rooney wide left(or new winger) RVP upfront and Di Maria right would work pretty well also.

I'd again point out Rooney has a really good cross, is best when driving forwards at pace, but can any manager stick him out left and actually get him to play wide left rather than stand their occasionally while mostly drifting into the middle and trying to be a play maker.

Lot's of options, but what would be best, who knows, can you get Rooney to stay wide left, he'd be very good there but not convinced anyone will be able to get him to stick to that role(the one several month period he played there years back he was excellent).

You had a period of time with Berbatov upfront Rooney wide left and Ronaldo wide right and they looked brilliant. That would work well with RVP central, Rooney left and Di Maria right.

Even with Di Maria you would need, for me, a right back, either back up or first team, another winger(again maybe back up or first team) and two central mids. Khedira is difficult, you would usually have two more defensively capable midfielders(only defensive is pointless, Matic getting forward provides so many extra attacks and options and he does well when he does) along with one attacking central midfield. But a combination of Khedira and Herrera doesn't really have that one ultra strong defensive midfielder, for depth Khedira would be great, but you would still need another really strong defensive midfielder then be rotating between them. Khedira/Herrera in easier games, a DM plus Khedira or Herrera in tougher games, in the hardest games those three and drop a attacking central mid.
 
He had little to no defensive responsibilities at Real. Utd can't afford him that freedom from a midfield position because you're not going to be as dominant as Real were.
 
I suppose the situation is, just one signing isn't going to do a massive amount of good.

We're horribly weak in midfield/defensive midfield, surely the club realise having quality midfielders will help our young defenders play better too...

I'm not sure what options are left when it comes to defensive midfielders, we'd have to go for lesser-known players (which is fine). Why it's taking this long and proving this difficult is truly baffling.
 
He did play as part of a midfield 3 last season though, in a sort of box to box role. He can do that, but we don't have Modric and Alonso next to him.

I agree we'd have to look at playing with wingers if we got him, LvG called him the kind of winger we were lacking, so...

It wasn't a box to box role, it's

Modric-----------Alonso

--------Di Maria--------


roughly speaking. It might be three central players but Di Maria, or Isco, or James, whoever it is sits WAY ahead of the defensive pair and is very much an attacking central player. Closer to a withdrawn striker than a box to box type.

Same way as you would consider Mata's role in a 4-3-3, central but significantly ahead of the more defensive/controlling central midfield pair.
 
I'm sure he was playing very much on the left side of a 3 man central midfield, rather than directly ahead of them, but yes, he's got quality with him so it's a different situation either way.
 
Doesn't do enough for me. Nowadays a DM has to be able to bring the ball out as well. Gustavo is so limited.

We don't have the luxury of cherry picking the best players right now. He would be much better than what we have right now. We need cover as well in the cm area.
 
Without knowing what sort of system Utd are going to play its near impossible to suggest what sort of players they need.

If Utd are going to stick with a 3-5-2/3-4-3 then they probably need holding midfielders. If they're going to go with a 4-3-3 then they need box to box midfielders to play either side of Carrick or Herrera.
 
Yet you picked not the best team they chose the worst formation for that particular squad? You say something entirely ridiculous, get called on it, then post something that contradicts your first post as if it's unknown knowledge... okay.

Yes I know LVG is playing 3 because their defence isn't that strong, yet you've picked a line up which is significantly less strong, so what's your point here, that you know you should pick the best team and then use a formation that suits them.... but you decided to do neither in picking that formation?



I'm trying to work out precisely what your point is but as usual when you post, I just end up wondering if you are posting from an insane asylum.

What are you on about? It was a formation based on the players they have, Mata can't really play in the middle of the park, he doesn't work hard enough, Rooney doesnt really play out wide, you need him near the penalty box. Di Maria can play in the middle as he has a good engine on him, he can drift out wide when in possession and act like a winger. I'm not sure what the problem is, shall i suggest another formation? At the end of the day, United aren't in a position not to play their best players. I've been saying for years that the squad isn't good enough for a title challenge. If they got Di Maria, the left hand side would be considerably stronger than the right, fine, Everton have the same deal, they seem to manage. There is a tonne of formations they could try..

I just end up wondering if you are posting from an insane asylum.

this is exactly what i think, seeing as you don't play the sport mate, some of the stuff you say is ridiculous, you really lack the compassion to what's possible on the pitch at that given time, you think everything's either Fifa or every player is perfect. Like i've said before, you really lack a certain aspect of football intelligence, that is compassion..


Could try this..


or this..


maybe this for a joke?
 
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I lack pity yes, I don't say play someone like Fellaini, who for Belgium, Everton and Utd has been nothing but crap in defensive midfield role, because being strong or big doesn't make you automatically a good central midfielder.

For someone who keeps suggesting he's part of the sport you show a complete lack of knowledge of the game full stop. You also show pity, you feel sorry for Fellaini and keep making excuses why he'd be good if this, why another player would do well if this that and the other, how it's not their fault.

Firstly if you're a professional footballer(which is severely questionable) it doesn't make you automatically a good judge of tactics of footballer quality regardless of what you think. People involved often lose perspective, which is why often the best commentators and pundits tend to be those who didn't play but don't let that stop you.

Fellaini IS crap as a defensive midfielder yet the formation and team you chose was rife with problems. YOu claim LVG knows he has to play 3 at the back because they are defensively weak.. while actively suggesting a WEAKER defensive formation.

An engine doesn't mean you can play in central midfield, being good in central midfield and being decent defensively and offensively would make you a good candidate for central midfield, being able to run all day means NOTHING in terms of where you can play.

He frequently loses the ball cheaply, is a pretty big diver, goes down extremely softly far far more often than he chooses to stay up and ride multiple tackles. He's not good defensively, nothing about his game suggests suiting a central midfield role.

He doesn't play deep in central midfield for club nor country for a reason. That is two absurd suggestions in Di Maria and Fellaini, and in naming an extremely narrow central midfield line up and an extremely narrow front line, you also went four at the back. A formation that would need the fullbacks to bang forward with a player who has time and time again over 4 years showing he can't play defensive midfielder well in front of them, with Di Maria, a not good defensive player on the left side who would be expected to cover at left back or help double up defensively....

It's an absurd formation and line up in every way, then when called on it you try the "but i'm a professional" while pointing out exactly why LVG a professional with more experience than you(unless you're Fergie) hasn't done what you've suggested.... while ignoring that and doing the thing LVG won't do because it's brain dead.


Compassion is why Utd are in the situation they are in. Fergie's compassion for his friend Moyes got him a job he didn't deserve. The squad is as weak as it is because Fergie's compassion kept Welbeck when he shouldn't have, kept Anderson 4 years after he should have been gone, kept Rooney when financially and squad wise they would have been better off getting shot(with the money he has and at his age, it's over now, he'll decline every year and be too old to be worth any money as well as no one wanting to match his wages now).

Compassion isn't a good thing in football, most of the biggest success comes when teams are cut throat and don't keep around players because they've been their ages and they hope they improve, or wish they get chances, or pray their injury troubles are over.

Wenger got shot of Petit and Overmars when they were successful to get what he thought were better players, we won even more. When he hung on to Song, Diaby, Djourou, etc, etc... that compassion. When he started making compassionate decisions about Rosicky and Diaby rather than cut throat decisions is when Arsenal became useless, and when Fergie started to keep Welbeck rather than get shot of Stam/Beckham/ect, that is when Utd's squad declined massively.

Real Madrid got shot of Ozil(much loved by players and fans) and brought in Bale, finally won La Decima.

Barcelona kept starting Xavi and Iniesta when they were ineffective, they kept starting Messi because he wanted to play even though he was well below par, they didn't buy a CB because they kept relying on Puyol... they declined... compassion.

Xavi's decline from four years ago is the most obvious one in european football, compassion is why he started in the world cup, compassion is why Casillas was playing, compassion is why Torres was brought on... compassion is why Spain were so utterly **** in the world cup.

The line that I lack compassion to what is possible is also hilarious, and shows your inability to read or talk sense. When you get the "he had to hit the target" posts, I point out how ridiculous they are and that even the best players miss very very often. I'm the only one to point out that in any given second anything can happen and I'm never critical of someone just because he misses a few sitters in a single or even a few games, but when a player misses LOADS of chances EVERY game, it's not compassion that is needed or knowing what can happen in any given moment, it's seeing the player isn't good enough.

I'm the LEAST reactive to a given game on the entire forum ffs, so to even say that shows what little sense you make. Your arguments are contradictory, and you make these claims that are completely absurd. I'm the single most understanding player in terms of missing a few chances in one game where everyone else on here jumps down a players throat.
 
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