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Respond with some formations mate rather than a wall of text which is utter garbage..

Your'e a classic armchair know it all that doesn't play the sport, is not involved with the sport and for which i'm guessing has been into football when you turned 18..

You're talking about cut throatness, that's exactly what is wrong with football nowadays, more obsessed with winning rather than the joy of football. People don't get involved with football, true footballers anyway, for the money, for the fame, they get into it for the spirituality of it. It means more than winning to be involved with it on a day to day basis, sport is a great humbler, you learn to lose, you learn to win..just like life.
 
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Whether you play regularly or not has little to no bearing on whether you can comment and analyse things accurately.

There are very good managers who never really played the game... and plenty of excellent players who are horrendously clueless when it comes to tactics, etc.
 
Whether you play regularly or not has little to no bearing on whether you can comment and analyse things accurately.

There are very good managers who never really played the game... and plenty of excellent players who are horrendously clueless when it comes to tactics, etc.

Trusty has a kick about the local field with a few mates from the pub, therefore instantly knows more about football than any of us could ever dream.
 
Yeah, well you all talk gash. "We have a title challenging squad, it's all Moyes fault" It's hilarious..

Standard lads, standard.


Whether you play regularly or not has little to no bearing on whether you can comment and analyse things accurately.

Of course it does. You need to have played the sport, sure there's Mourinho, one in a million, but at the end of the day, how can't you understand an industry if you've never been involved with it..

There are very good managers who never really played the game... and plenty of excellent players who are horrendously clueless when it comes to tactics, etc.


Like who? Of course not all good players become good managers, obviously, so many things incorporate being a manager, whats the % ratio of good managers that were involved with the sport to one's that were not? Hmm, let me think? 90% were footballers and involved with the sport...

Trusty has a kick about the local field with a few mates from the pub, therefore instantly knows more about football than any of us could ever dream.

I've said this before, we should get a little OCUK match going, do it for charity or something, go for pint's afterwards and go mad...would be great for the football forum social bonding, woud also put some faces to usernames. Would love that..would be awesome!
 
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Of course it does. You need to have played the sport, sure there's Mourinho, one in a million, but at the end of the day, how can you understand an industry if you've never been involved with it..

Like who? Of course not all good players become good managers, obviously, so many things incorporate being a manager, whats the % ratio of good managers that were involved with the sport to one's that were not? Hmm, let me think? 90% were footballers and involved with the sport...

Ignoring your first statement (which just sounds silly), what 'level' exactly have you played the sport at? I'm guessing it's something fairly trivial... I suspect most of us have played it at a similar sort of level, be it at school/university/whatever.

It's simply not true that just because you play football you understand the deep tactical side of it better, it might help, sure, but you can't use it to defend what you are saying. This is a forum, use words and do a better job of it.
 
Of course it does. You need to have played the sport, sure there's Mourinho, one in a million, but at the end of the day, how can't you understand an industry if you've never been involved with it..

I guess this means a lot of University degree's are rubbish then? I mean, how can you study the first or second World War if you weren't there?

Absolute, rubbish.
 
Of course it does. You need to have played the sport, sure there's Mourinho, one in a million, but at the end of the day, how can you understand an industry if you've never been involved with it..

Like who? Of course not all good players become good managers, obviously, so many things incorporate being a manager, whats the % ratio of good managers that were involved with the sport to one's that were not? Hmm, let me think? 90% were footballers and involved with the sport...


You need to have played the sport..... straight away provides an example disproving what he just said.

Do you intentionally do this every post to make yourself seem insane or is it just a happy accident.

LVG is a professional so automatically knows more than anyone not in football, he chooses to play three at the back and not play Fellaini as a DM(because three managers at least all think he's crap there including Moyes)... you say this is because they are defensively weak... you then say you chose a narrow 4-3-3 with Fellaini in and less CB's ignoring this advice. Either a manager knows more than you because he's a manager and you aren't thus he must know more than you, and you're wrong, or you know more than LVG....

You also have used the basic argument of intellectual footballs that Fellaini is strong so would therefore be a good defensive midfielder, club and country managers disagree with you... FELLAINI disagrees with you, but you know more than me because you play football(maybe) and I don't.

Why are 90% of managers ex footballers.... because they are within the same industry and there is an obvious career path. Most other people have chosen a career by what should we call the average starting age of managers, 35-40, so there isn't really a natural career path from accountant to football manager.

it's also an old boys club where clubs frequently chose ex players(completely ignoring experience or suitability) to be a new manager... why, because they have a relationship with the club, basically nothing else. They hope they'll be a good manager and the owner is great friends with a player who was there for 5-10 years so gives his mate a chance even with more experienced and proven managers as an option.

You failed to mention that probably 90%+ of managers get a season, if that, they disappear into obscurity because the majority of managers are crap, again footballers, often rich, can try management on for size and lose nothing if it fails. Bill the accountant who has been an accountant for lets say 20 years, who isn't a millionaire and can't afford a punt at management because he'll likely fail then be left without a job.

There is a reason most managers are ex footballers, and it is because it's what's always happened. Mourinho is PROOF, absolute proof it isn't needed. This kind of thing happens in other industries and situations, oil industry, other things, where a select group of people make it very difficult for outsides to get jobs within it kind of thing. The reason most managers are ex footballers is for social reasons, not technical or logical reasons.

There are probably 20 crap ex footballer managers for every actually good ex footballer manager. Does a 5% success rate suggest footballers in general make good managers, doesn't to me.
 
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I guess this means a lot of University degree's are rubbish then? I mean, how can you study the first or second World War if you weren't there?

Absolute, rubbish.

Sort of true eh?

and yes...i do play professional football, i've said it on the forum before i think, it's not a big deal tbh. I don't want people knowing it if i'm honest, it changes peoples mentality...i don't want that..
 
Semi-professional, or? Go on...

It won't change anything, because it doesn't impact on what you say (as demonstrated above). It doesn't add validity to your statements.
 
Sort of true eh?

and yes...i do play professional football, i've said it on the forum before i think, it's not a big deal tbh. I don't want people knowing it if i'm honest, it changes peoples mentality...i don't want that..

It really doesn't, most people thought you spoke complete crap and were probably just a troll BEFORE you started to casually KEEP hinting you're a professional footballer. Your opinions are as invalid as before you started letting this slip... frequently.

If you said you were... Henry, or Ronaldo, or more likely Fellaini or Moyes and showed a picture with bread as proof, I still wouldn't treat your opinion as fact merely because you are in the sport.

There are literally dozens of pundits, column writers, commentators who are ex pros who talk absolute gibberish. Being a footballer and being able to identify good footballers are very different things.

The outside perspective is crucial in many situations. Your ability to spot talent, or read tactics, or quantify a players worth isn't simply better because you're a footballer. There is literally proof everywhere of ex and current footballers saying stupid things constantly and ex footballers who become utterly awful managers.

There is no logical link between being involved in a sport and your opinion automatically being more accurate than people outside of a sport, this has never been true, it's just something a lot of people say without thinking about it while ignoring huge amounts of evidence that it absolutely can't be true.

Rio "Utd will win the title because LVG"... "Arsenal won't win it because potatoes"... paraphrased marginally......


But we've already literally seen from you, Fellaini says he's not a DM, Moyes tried it and moved him forward again because he was crap, he pushed Arteta behind him because Fellaini was so crap there, he was crap there for Utd(when he played, which wasn't much and only deeper in central mid because there were few options... he was so poor there his bestest mate Moyes benched a £27mil player because he's that useless that deep), and Belgium see him has crap there and use him further forward... but you say he can do it despite all evidence saying he can't.
 
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I think it would just reinforce peoples ideas that footballers are generally a bit dim

In what sense? I'd back myself to have more cognitive ability than you..

Semi-professional, or? Go on...

It won't change anything, because it doesn't impact on what you say (as demonstrated above). It doesn't add validity to your statements.

I just ran my contract down with Boro due to a knee injury, i have a trial with Arsenal in November when my knee heels..mmmm...beautiful stuff..I'll post the pic when i've signed my contract..:D
 
In what sense? I'd back myself to have more cognitive ability than you..

Have a go at doing Purdy's degree?

Look, I would love to stay and debate the merit's of what you say, but it's fruitless.

As you're of the opinion that you cannot study anything unless you've been there, I just fail to fathom anyone whom can be of that opinion and claim to have an IQ higher than their shoe size.
 
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