*Transfer Window 2014/15 Season Rumours/Signings *AKA Man U fans listing every player under the Sun

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_Jimlad_ said:
Man UTD don't need him. They need Vidal or someone like him and another cb
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Ive been saying this for weeks.

Maybe he will work better than Mata, maybe he wont (he may well take some time to get used to the EPL after all), but I just cant see him being the right fit for right now.

He is primarily a wide man when LvG wants to continue with 3-5-2 (or that variant) and Di Maria wont work as a wing back for all his attacking qualities.

Horrendously high price (accounting for wages too), even before the fact Utd are crying out for a tough tackling CM/DM


edit Im also not convinced 4-3-3 will work (either dropping rvp or Rooney, or just as badly playing rooney wide ...on the opposite side to Di Maria)

edit and as Di Maria is supposedly given the No7 shirt, thats Vidal down the drain (he was certainly supposed to be getting that shirt)
 
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Not sure what to think of Di Maria tbh

Not really what we need at the moment with the current squad. Also no guarantee of him settling etc. Would rather we strengthened through the middle at the back and in midfield.

WIll be interesting to see what formation we go with if it comes through
 
FrankJH said:
Ive been saying this for weeks.

Maybe he will work better than Mata, maybe he wont (he may well take some time to get used to the EPL after all), but I just cant see him being the right fit for right now.

He is primarily a wide man when LvG wants to continue with 3-5-2 (or that variant) and Di Maria wont work as a wing back for all his attacking qualities.

Horrendously high price (accounting for wages too), even before the fact Utd are crying out for a tough tackling CM/DM

edit Im also not convinced 4-3-3 will work (either dropping rvp or Rooney, or just as badly playing rooney wide ...on the opposite side to Di Maria)

edit and as Di Maria is supposedly given the No7 shirt, thats Vidal down the drain (he was certainly supposed to be getting that shirt)
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Simply, LvG wouldn't buy him just to play him as a wing back etc. I do agree it's not the obvious problem area, but it kind of is, because we have no speed in attack... unless you think that's not important (I do).

If LvG wants him then that'll do me.
 
It's going to be interesting to see how Utd line-up if and when they sign Di Maria. Obviously there will be more than enough games where Utd are without one of Rooney or RvP but I suspect this is the beginning of the end for Mata.
 
Robbo said:
Simply, LvG wouldn't buy him just to play him as a wing back etc. I do agree it's not the obvious problem area, but it kind of is, because we have no speed in attack... unless you think that's not important (I do).

If LvG wants him then that'll do me.
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Speed of attack is definitely a problem however Im not sure putting him on the field isnt just going to create more problems than it solves.

There are rumours from ESPN that di maria is 1st of three big signings this week, but imo its either going to be a miracle or the other two are going to be a let down (Gaurin and Blind are probably the most attainable of the rumours out there at the moment)
 
Robbo said:
Simply, LvG wouldn't buy him just to play him as a wing back etc. I do agree it's not the obvious problem area, but it kind of is, because we have no speed in attack... unless you think that's not important (I do).

If LvG wants him then that'll do me.
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It is about time we got someone who can pick up the ball and run at defenders and actually successfully take it past them. No more pretenders like Valencia and Nani.
 
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Speed of attack is definitely a problem however Im not sure putting him on the field isnt just going to create more problems than it solves.

There are rumours from ESPN that di maria is 1st of three big signings this week, but imo its either going to be a miracle or the other two are going to be a let down (Gaurin and Blind are probably the most attainable of the rumours out there at the moment)
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Blind would be an improvement in CM (he's not amazing, but definitely better than what we have). Blind + a midfielder would do, assuming our defence can stay fit. Vidal is the obvious one... he'd be cheaper than Di Maria... it doesn't need to be Vidal though, just someone who is solid and competent. Herrera is perfectly capable of making good passes forward to our attackers, once he's settled; I don't think that'll take long.

Getting this wrapped up quickly also sends out a serious signal of intent to anyone else who may be on the fence about joining, perhaps. Could open up other transfer options.

Jono8 said:
It is about time we got someone who can pick up the ball and run at defenders and actually successfully take it past them. No more pretenders like Valencia and Nani.
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Indeed it is.
 
BaZ87 said:
It's going to be interesting to see how Utd line-up if and when they sign Di Maria. Obviously there will be more than enough games where Utd are without one of Rooney or RvP but I suspect this is the beginning of the end for Mata.
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Whilst I'm not sure he's overly sold on Mata, I think that it's more likely the end for the strikers in the team.

If we switch to a 433, LVG likes to play with a holding CM (probably Carrick / Fletcher) and then two CMs in front of which one is more of an attacking player and the other that covers attack and defence (or if he's feeling particularly fruity then like with Holland he had Strootman with VdV and Sneijder ahead of them). This would likely be the combination of Mata & Herrera, with one of either Rooney or RvP missing out.

Would also possibly make sense with the rumours of both Hernandez and Welbeck being shifted out, we wouldn't cut down to two strikers (+ youth) if that was the case.

Although everything he has said so far is that he'll stick to 3 at the back, so who knows :o.
 
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Bucket said:
Whilst I'm not sure he's overly sold on Mata, I think that it's more likely the end for the strikers in the team.

If we switch to a 433, LVG likes to play with a holding CM (probably Carrick / Fletcher) and then two CMs in front of which one is more of an attacking player and the other that covers attack and defence (or if he's feeling particularly fruity then like with Holland he had Strootman with VdV and Sneijder ahead of them). This would likely be the combination of Mata & Herrera, with one of either Rooney or RvP missing out.

Would also possibly make sense with the rumours of both Hernandez and Welbeck being shifted out, we wouldn't cut down to two strikers (+ youth) if that was the case.

Although everything he has said so far is that he'll stick to 3 at the back, so who knows :o.
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I just can't see this. Rooney's your captain and LvG is seemingly in love with RvP. Like I said, there will be enough games where one or the other is injured but when everybody is fit and available I can only see Mata being the man that misses out.

I think it's more or less nailed on that you're going with 3 at the back for the most part this season and with that in mind I can only assume Di Maria will come in for Mata in a free role behind a front 2; similar to how Robben played in the summer, albeit behind a lone striker.

edit: Mata and Di Maria both behind a lone striker is another option but I can only see it being 2nd choice and/or when you're without RvP or Rooney.
 
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The thinking must be that as good as rvp, rooney, mata are they must be one of the slowest attacking trios in the premiership, excluding trick room players like carroll or lambert.
 
Moses said:
It seems pointless saying that unless you say why...
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It's just my opinion.

I know in Italy playing a back three is quite in vogue at the minute (see Juventus), but in Italy the side's play very different styles of football (relative) and often teams play with two players up top. Allowing man on man and one covering with the full backs.

English football, the trend at the minute (and especially playing against the top ~6-8~ teams), teams rarely play with two up top, meaning that playing a back three is almost a waste of a player. You defend with a back five with wing backs in the back three system. Instead of one man on man, one covering and full backs. I don't think that it's the best use of personnel.

I just think in English football at the minute, the very in vogue formation is four, two, three, one featuring attacking full backs.

It's all just a thought though. It depends what Manchester United want to do, or rather what Van Gaal wants to do, either play players or play a system and fit players in to the system or build a system around the players, he could have course do something in between. Van Gaal has used this system before though.

I fully expect people to disagree with me, because that's what they do :p.
 
Maybe he's accounting for an aging RVP, knowing that he won't be playing every match, so will be able to faff about with the formation?
 
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Do people rate Nigel De Jong? He'd be a cheap defensive midfielder who LvG knows, but he's a bit (:p) of a hatchet man. Might work next to Herrera.

Blind would be better, his tackling and reading of the game is good, and he can actually pass, which helps.
 
Moses said:
I know it's just your opinion, but it seems pointless making such a statement and not explaining at all :p.

One of its biggest strengths has to be that it's just different - I mean, if no one else plays that way, they'll 'only' have the week's training leading up to it to learn intricacies, etc. It reminds me of playing American football where the vast majority of teams we played used a fairly conventional spread offence with ~4 wide receivers, including my team. That meant that when we were prepping for those teams there wasn't that much different... and also when our offence was practicing our defence scrimmaging against us would be practicing against the sort of offence they'd be facing (if that makes sense!). Anyway, there was always a team or two who'd play a more run focussed 'double-wing' system on their offence (no wide receivers, etc), where are defencing facing that would have to change loads of what they did, etc, etc... and instead of being able to rely on a huge body of match and training practice experience to fall back on, they only had a relatively small amount of experience against such a system which made it relatively difficult to adapt.
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Different =/= better? Shirley?

I mean, I totally understand the point, it's different, it's new and it will be interesting to see how teams adapt to play against that system, but it doesn't mean that it's the best or most efficient system to play with what Manchester United have in their squad.
 
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