*Transfer Window 2014/15 Season Rumours/Signings *AKA Man U fans listing every player under the Sun

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The thinking must be that as good as rvp, rooney, mata are they must be one of the slowest attacking trios in the premiership, excluding trick room players like carroll or lambert.
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This is what i suspected. He gives the option for 4-3-3 with Janujaz but most of the time will play in the 5-3-2 #10 position. He was coming on and changing games for Madrid in the same way so i guess as people are saying Kagawa is probably going to leave now. Young and Nani can also kiss goodbye to thier futures. Now if we cannot attract a top defender like Hummels this year or Vidal and we do that next year and our squad players and luxury buys this year and swap then i guess i can live with that.


Shaw Herrera Rojo Di Maria this year, Hummels Strootman/Vidal next year and within those two windows offload every player surplus to requirements. It could work because Di Maria would boost top four chances a lot and that would then obviously set up next summer where we do our most important transfers because those are our hardest transfers to pull off and it seems they will require guaranteed Champions League football.
 
Robbo said:
Do people rate Nigel De Jong? He'd be a cheap defensive midfielder who LvG knows, but he's a bit (:p) of a hatchet man. Might work next to Herrera.

Blind would be better, his tackling and reading of the game is good, and he can actually pass, which helps.
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Apart from the City connection (which is bad enough) - my memory might be failing me but I thought in his last couple of City seasons he was notorious for getting red cards.

Also the fact that even if the above isnt true, Im a bit dubious as to whether being that much older he would be able to get up to speed of the EPL (although without mid week games, it would help recovery).

There were rumours of Utd being very interested in a brazilian 21 yo DM , cant for the life of me remember his name (from Cruzario or something?) but this could be very early / mild interest rather than at the point of bidding /negotiating

Rofflay said:
Shaw Herrera Rojo Di Maria this year, Hummels Strootman/Vidal next year and within those two windows offload every player surplus to requirements. It could work because Di Maria would boost top four chances a lot and that would then obviously set up next summer.
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Even thinking back to Liverpool's often comical defending last season, I dont think just strenghening the attack with DM will make much difference as Utd will concede just as many as DM creates at the other end. Im also not expecting "rojojo" to be able to hit the ground running and make a vast difference straight away (if at all) so without a major centre half signing Utd will be lucky with anywhere between 5-8 but unless two teams above have some huge problems Utd arent going to leapfrog them
 
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FrankJH said:
Apart from the City connection (which is bad enough) - my memory might be failing me but I thought in his last couple of City seasons he was notorious for getting red cards.

Also the fact that even if the above isnt true, Im a bit dubious as to whether being that much older he would be able to get up to speed of the EPL (although without mid week games, it would help recovery).

There were rumours of Utd being very interested in a brazilian 21 yo DM , cant for the life of me remember his name (from Cruzario or something?) but this could be very early / mild interest rather than at the point of bidding /negotiating
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Lucas Silva, looks an excellent player but that's Youtube. :p

On that topic, Di Maria's game against Barcelona earlier this year when he ripped them to shreds (you might want to mute it and ignore some of the questionable editing):

What a player (RM still lost though :p).
 
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FrankJH said:
Apart from the City connection (which is bad enough) - my memory might be failing me but I thought in his last couple of City seasons he was notorious for getting red cards.

Also the fact that even if the above isnt true, Im a bit dubious as to whether being that much older he would be able to get up to speed of the EPL (although without mid week games, it would help recovery).
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The last red card de Jong got was in the 05/06 season, as for pace, pace has never been a part of his game. Gilberto wasn't especially fast, nor slow, Keane wasn't fast, Vieira wasn't fast, Song isn't fast, Mascherano isn't fast, Gerrard isn't fast, Fellaini isn't fast(nor a DM at all though), Fabregas isn't very fast, Makelele.... nor, most DM's I can think of.

Defensive midfield isn't about pace, it's about reading the game, the best midfielders don't rely on pace, it's about reading the game and being positionally excellent.

De Jong is an excellent player and anyone who thinks he can't pass is deluded. He doesn't shy away from passing forwards and will happily push from defence to attack and push up the field to support if he needs to though is disciplined enough and usually tasked with staying back as cover.

He would do well for Utd, probably be cheap to though might ask for decent wages, he's 29, he's no where near too old. Probably be a decent player in to his mid 30's frankly.

I should point out he absolutely SHOULD have had more red cards, for sure, but generally has that irritating quality that if people think you're a defensive midfielder you magically get leeway to kick the crap out of players without getting sent off... though that is a pretty useful skill ;)
 
drunkenmaster said:
The last red card de Jong got was in the 05/06 season, as for pace, pace has never been a part of his game. Gilberto wasn't especially fast, nor slow, Keane wasn't fast, Vieira wasn't fast, Song isn't fast, Mascherano isn't fast, Gerrard isn't fast, Fellaini isn't fast(nor a DM at all though), Fabregas isn't very fast, Makelele.... nor, most DM's I can think of.

Defensive midfield isn't about pace, it's about reading the game, the best midfielders don't rely on pace, it's about reading the game and being positionally excellent.

De Jong is an excellent player and anyone who thinks he can't pass is deluded. He doesn't shy away from passing forwards and will happily push from defence to attack and push up the field to support if he needs to though is disciplined enough and usually tasked with staying back as cover.

He would do well for Utd, probably be cheap to though might ask for decent wages, he's 29, he's no where near too old. Probably be a decent player in to his mid 30's frankly.

I should point out he absolutely SHOULD have had more red cards, for sure, but generally has that irritating quality that if people think you're a defensive midfielder you magically get leeway to kick the crap out of players without getting sent off... though that is a pretty useful skill ;)
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But is he better than Cleverley? ;) :(

It wouldn't shock me if we ended up going for him, I like him more than our current 'defensive' midfielders. LvG has praised him in the past and AC Milan seem quite happy to sell players. He would certainly add some balance.
 
Robbo said:
Lucas Silva, looks an excellent player but that's Youtube. :p

On that topic, Di Maria's game against Barcelona earlier this year when he ripped them to shreds (you might want to mute it and ignore some of the questionable editing):

What a player (RM still lost though :p).
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Dat Benzema miss at 1:07 lol
 
drunkenmaster said:
Defensive midfield isn't about pace, it's about reading the game, the best midfielders don't rely on pace, it's about reading the game and being positionally excellent.
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If you read what I wrote you may have understood better

I never said that being a defensive midfielder was about pace, but the fact that he has got significantly older since he last played in this country and the league has possibly got faster may well mean that his legs cant hack it anymore.

Robbo said:
Lucas Silva, looks an excellent player but that's Youtube. :p

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Yep thats who I was thinking about
 
BaZ87 said:
Mascherano isn't fast? Yes he is.
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I'm not sure, I think he's pacey but I wouldn't say he's fast :p, I'm sure that makes no sense.

I've not really (certainly since he's play centre back too) thought there are many forwards that get the better of him for pace.

Anyway, more importantly, he tore his own bottom hole diving to stop a shot in the World Cup semi final. He's always been a player that has struck me as the type of player I would describe as 'willing to run through a brick wall' for the team.
 
BaZ87 said:
Mascherano isn't fast? Yes he is.
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lol, no he isn't. Mascherano is often against people with the ball and almost never dribbles... people are slowing running with the ball than not. Did you see Mert gain on Lukaku when Lukaku was dribbling, yes, did you see him getting done when Lukaku was running without the ball, yes. Mascherano is not fast.
 
DM can't be wrong, shirley?

/Awaits essay





The Football Stad is quite a fun part of the forum, wish I paid more attention to football when Utd were actually decent :( :p
 
BaZ87 said:
Yes he is fast.
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Who is fastest out of Raheem Sterling, Mascherano and Godin.... out of curiosity, without looking it up?

Hell, rank them and include, Higuain, Vlaar, Robben and say Villa.

EDIT:- I'll give you a huge hint, that top speed and average speed have a ridiculously, epically strong correlation to time spent in possession of the ball, which correlates incredibly strongly to the position you play and style of play.
 
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