Maybe not a waste but Mata does drift in and out of games quite badly, and Utd arent maximimizing his potential at all currently
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Maybe not a waste but Mata does drift in and out of games quite badly, and Utd arent maximimizing his potential at all currently
You will never get the best out of Mata when a huge amount of our attacking play is either so slow that by the time he gets the ball the entire opposition team is behind the ball or, we play it down the channels to wingus and dingus who either play it straight into the keepers arms or fail to beat the first man. With Herrera and another top class CM we would see much more from Mata.
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Mata has scored 7 goals in his last 8 competitive games for us, not too shabby for a player playing in a weak side.
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You seem to be ignoring that running costs have gone up dramatically along with the income. That costs on that graph are just the debt servicing costs, costs for the entire club have scaled along with sponsorship.
Not to mention that net transfer spend is over £200m for the past 3 transfer windows... The plot conveniently stops at 2012/13 where transfer spend skyrockets.
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To be fair, sponsorship scaled with the increased spend in the last couple years as well but, yes, it's a daft graph. When you put in the missing "running costs/outgoing" line and a total costs line which includes net spend, finance costs and running costs that line wouldn't be far off the total income at all.
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If Mata had not scored a 2 yard tap in yesterday, how would you rate his performance given that he has a free role with basically no defensive requirements is our record signing playing behind 2 of the best strikers in the country?
Did he ever pick up the ball and you felt like wow that was amazeballs?
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He was terrible, there were sooo many times that similar players, as in similar role, a Fabregas, Lampard, Lamela, would role and incoming player and then sprint forward which is how you get counter attacks going. Lamela started wide but drifted all over(much like Mata) and did this leading to the third goal maybe. It's pretty much a key part of midfield play, it can mean breaking with the incoming midfielder having over committed leaving a huge amount of space to exploit, all the "top" creative mids are fantastic at this, creating space for themselves to work in.
Mata is exceptionally poor at this, he runs away from incoming players like a girl, passes sideways or backwards or just gets smacked as Catermole did yesterday. He lacks that extra thing so many in his role have. If you have loads of willing runners pulling defenders all over the place and happen to give him the ball 25-30yards out and people make angles for him to pass into, he can look okay. Then as yesterday pretty much anyone can walk over to a far post and get a tap in, that is football, it's not an indication of a good game at all.
There seems to be a pretty dangerous precedent being set where teams are getting rid of players they realise aren't quite truly top class... and idiot clubs(Arsenal, Utd, looking at you) are paying well over the odds for them. People are remember Di Maria's best games while ignoring even the worst parts of those best games. Di Maria made more mistakes than did good things against Barca and they lost the game, he set up two goals, one should have been easily defended though(but they have Pique
), but he was pretty crap for the rest of the game. Got on the ball loads but mostly gave it away, put the team under loads of pressure with his mistakes.
He's not a 70mil player, he's not a 50mil player. Ozil is not a 40mil player, Real Madrid improved without him and that isn't surprising to anyone who watched Ozil play at Real Madrid, like Mata he is too weak, too lazy and gets flustered under pressure where the top players excel under pressure.
Mata was never in a million years worth 37million, Ozil not worth 40mil and Di Maria isn't worth over 40mil either.
What I don't get is that Real Madrid have plainly said we've bought this player for 65mil or so... and he's here to replace that guy because we think this guy is better...... so we'll sell you the less good player for 65-75mil..... who falls for that? This is a player who has asked to leave, hasn't been used, and everyone on earth knows they don't intend to use him much if at all now. Why aren't you getting the "we'll help you out by getting his wage bill off your accounts bargain" price of £30mil?
Hell, if Utd went ahead and offered £65mil(or whatever it exactly was) for James(while still at Monaco)... then had a private meeting with Real to say, okay we'll pull out of the James deal and let you have him without offering him huge wages you have to match, but do us a favour and give us Di Maria for £30-40mil. Put some pressure on them...
Mata is exceptionally poor at this, he runs away from incoming players like a girl, passes sideways or backwards or just gets smacked as Catermole did yesterday. He lacks that extra thing so many in his role have. If you have loads of willing runners pulling defenders all over the place and happen to give him the ball 25-30yards out and people make angles for him to pass into, he can look okay. Then as yesterday pretty much anyone can walk over to a far post and get a tap in, that is football, it's not an indication of a good game at all.
There seems to be a pretty dangerous precedent being set where teams are getting rid of players they realise aren't quite truly top class... and idiot clubs(Arsenal, Utd, looking at you) are paying well over the odds for them. People are remember Di Maria's best games while ignoring even the worst parts of those best games. Di Maria made more mistakes than did good things against Barca and they lost the game, he set up two goals, one should have been easily defended though(but they have Pique
), but he was pretty crap for the rest of the game. Got on the ball loads but mostly gave it away, put the team under loads of pressure with his mistakes.He's not a 70mil player, he's not a 50mil player. Ozil is not a 40mil player, Real Madrid improved without him and that isn't surprising to anyone who watched Ozil play at Real Madrid, like Mata he is too weak, too lazy and gets flustered under pressure where the top players excel under pressure.
Mata was never in a million years worth 37million, Ozil not worth 40mil and Di Maria isn't worth over 40mil either.
What I don't get is that Real Madrid have plainly said we've bought this player for 65mil or so... and he's here to replace that guy because we think this guy is better...... so we'll sell you the less good player for 65-75mil..... who falls for that? This is a player who has asked to leave, hasn't been used, and everyone on earth knows they don't intend to use him much if at all now. Why aren't you getting the "we'll help you out by getting his wage bill off your accounts bargain" price of £30mil?
Hell, if Utd went ahead and offered £65mil(or whatever it exactly was) for James(while still at Monaco)... then had a private meeting with Real to say, okay we'll pull out of the James deal and let you have him without offering him huge wages you have to match, but do us a favour and give us Di Maria for £30-40mil. Put some pressure on them...
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He was terrible, there were sooo many times that similar players, as in similar role, a Fabregas, Lampard, Lamela, would role and incoming player and then sprint forward which is how you get counter attacks going. Lamela started wide but drifted all over(much like Mata) and did this leading to the third goal maybe. It's pretty much a key part of midfield play, it can mean breaking with the incoming midfielder having over committed leaving a huge amount of space to exploit, all the "top" creative mids are fantastic at this, creating space for themselves to work in.
Mata is exceptionally poor at this, he runs away from incoming players like a girl, passes sideways or backwards or just gets smacked as Catermole did yesterday. He lacks that extra thing so many in his role have. If you have loads of willing runners pulling defenders all over the place and happen to give him the ball 25-30yards out and people make angles for him to pass into, he can look okay. Then as yesterday pretty much anyone can walk over to a far post and get a tap in, that is football, it's not an indication of a good game at all.
There seems to be a pretty dangerous precedent being set where teams are getting rid of players they realise aren't quite truly top class... and idiot clubs(Arsenal, Utd, looking at you) are paying well over the odds for them. People are remember Di Maria's best games while ignoring even the worst parts of those best games. Di Maria made more mistakes than did good things against Barca and they lost the game, he set up two goals, one should have been easily defended though(but they have Pique
He's not a 70mil player, he's not a 50mil player. Ozil is not a 40mil player, Real Madrid improved without him and that isn't surprising to anyone who watched Ozil play at Real Madrid, like Mata he is too weak, too lazy and gets flustered under pressure where the top players excel under pressure.
Mata was never in a million years worth 37million, Ozil not worth 40mil and Di Maria isn't worth over 40mil either.
What I don't get is that Real Madrid have plainly said we've bought this player for 65mil or so... and he's here to replace that guy because we think this guy is better...... so we'll sell you the less good player for 65-75mil..... who falls for that? This is a player who has asked to leave, hasn't been used, and everyone on earth knows they don't intend to use him much if at all now. Why aren't you getting the "we'll help you out by getting his wage bill off your accounts bargain" price of £30mil?
Hell, if Utd went ahead and offered £65mil(or whatever it exactly was) for James(while still at Monaco)... then had a private meeting with Real to say, okay we'll pull out of the James deal and let you have him without offering him huge wages you have to match, but do us a favour and give us Di Maria for £30-40mil. Put some pressure on them...
You must remember though that this is a market where Andy Carroll was worth £35 million and David Luiz was worth £50 million
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Real madrid used to sell thrse players off for 12 to 15 mill like sneijder or van der valet but finalky realised they could just jack the price up and stupid clubs woukd still pay!
But yea quite mata isn't all that. 37 mill was a rip but desperation played out and we bought him anyway.
But yea quite mata isn't all that. 37 mill was a rip but desperation played out and we bought him anyway.
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He's no N'Zogbia that's for sure.
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How would you rate matas performance?
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Pretty good tbh, considering how poor we are at getting the ball forwards his impact has been impressive. He needs to get on the ball more but then that will come if we ever improve the midfield behind him.
You say it was only a 2 yard tap in but he still was the one to make that run and get on the end of it.
Mata hasn't settled well (though 7 goals in 8 games isn't bad), but he's suffering because of the team. We need midfielders who will consistently pass him the ball, then he can pick out attackers/onrushing wingers. That's what he's good at.
Di Maria isn't reliant on this, he can pick up the ball, run past 3 players and cross it/score/etc. He's also got that horrible (to defend against) style to his dribbling at times, where he'll bounce it off the defenders like Suarez.
He's not a £60m player in the conventional sense, but to us, in our situation, I think he is, and he's worth it. I'd much rather we overpaid for proven quality players than see more money go on 'maybe' players like Zaha, or worse, taken out of the club by the Americans (like that £150m a few weeks ago).
Even so, great players can join new clubs and end up doing badly, so time will tell.
I think the entire team as a whole will become a lot stronger when we actually have a central midfield, I mean, it's the platform for the attack and defence, and we might as well have had nobody there yesterday. LvG has brought through and managed many of the best midfielders in world football, I'd be seriously shocked and concerned if he didn't look at Cleverley and Fletcher and think they're absolutely awful.
Di Maria isn't reliant on this, he can pick up the ball, run past 3 players and cross it/score/etc. He's also got that horrible (to defend against) style to his dribbling at times, where he'll bounce it off the defenders like Suarez.
He's not a £60m player in the conventional sense, but to us, in our situation, I think he is, and he's worth it. I'd much rather we overpaid for proven quality players than see more money go on 'maybe' players like Zaha, or worse, taken out of the club by the Americans (like that £150m a few weeks ago).
Even so, great players can join new clubs and end up doing badly, so time will tell.
I think the entire team as a whole will become a lot stronger when we actually have a central midfield, I mean, it's the platform for the attack and defence, and we might as well have had nobody there yesterday. LvG has brought through and managed many of the best midfielders in world football, I'd be seriously shocked and concerned if he didn't look at Cleverley and Fletcher and think they're absolutely awful.
Well he has already bettered Welbeck's league goals per game ratio so...
But Wellbeck is not very good though is he. No idea why SAF saw in him.
As much as I like players like Kagawa etc - they need a clear out of that sort of player.
Zaha (£8-£10 million), Kagawa (£10-£12 million) Anderson (£4million), Welbeck (£12-£15million)
Should move these players on for sure - Don't get, and never have got, the whole Welbeck thing - he's no better than a load of players currently playing in the championship.
Zaha (£8-£10 million), Kagawa (£10-£12 million) Anderson (£4million), Welbeck (£12-£15million)
Should move these players on for sure - Don't get, and never have got, the whole Welbeck thing - he's no better than a load of players currently playing in the championship.
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