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But iniesta gives you everything. Goals, assists, turns and runs past players. True he doesn't have the power and pace of ronaldo or the skill of messi but he's an amazing player in his own right.
 
Iniesta ppays a pivotal role though outside of scoring and assists too. He can twist and turn on the ball out ftom defence and create space and make q great pass after doing so. Like Scholes could jink and turn to unlock a few yards. Iniesta does that and then really exploits the space he creates. You can't take anything away from Iniesta and proclaim he should be sold.

But iniesta gives you everything. Goals, assists, turns and runs past players. True he doesn't have the power and pace of ronaldo or the skill of messi but he's an amazing player in his own right.

Goals and assists, 3 goals 7 assists in the league and it IS an average season for him. He got 16 assists last year and it was the first time he went above 10 in the league IIRC for ages. He's a 2-4 goal 5-10 assist in the league player, which isn't remotely special. Particularly for a player who usually plays a very offensive role. In the peak years he played as the left wing attacker when not in midfield.

He's actually pretty brilliant at running past people with the ball but he's selfish and consistently runs into blind alleys rather than pass the ball. He runs till he has a chance to shoot, shoots a lot, scores very little. When he can't shoot he'll finally pass and his final ball is meh. He scored 3 goals in the league of which one was a penalty.

For someone in a great team throughout the spell they were easily the best team in the world, his low assist/goal stats are poor for his position. Fabregas scored 49 goals in the past 3 years, iniesta scored 19 yet Iniesta is the one that took more shots. Without his absolutely out of the blue miles better than previously 16 assist season, Fabregas would have significantly out assisted him also.
One in the league in the past five years has Iniesta scored more than 3 in the league, that one year he got 8 goals. Once has he got more than 9 assists.

He is no where near as good as people say he is. He is a very offensive midfielder/attacker, yet he rarely scores more than 10 goals or assists in the league, let alone more than 10 of both, despite being in the best team of the world for most of his career. He's got one of the worst shots/goals ratio in the team, despite having LOADS of the ball on the field most of his play ends up losing the ball or bad shots.

He can look insanely good on the ball driving down the wing/towards the box or inside the penalty box, but his final shot or pass is no where near as good as people suggest.
 
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Dear god this thread is getting like reading an American sports forum to many stats and nothing like enough speculation! Personally I'm not a big fan of the assist stat as it doesn't for me really reflect the way the game is played.
 
Goals and assists is far from the only thing that matters. If somebody plays a defence splitting pass to a winger who squares it, giving a striker a tap in, he is the most important player in the move but doesn't get a goal or an assist.

Particularly with how Barca play, Iniesta is key in creating space for others.
 
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AHAHAHAHA
You may laugh but apparently all you need to do to become favourites is spend more than other teams, that's not something I agree with though.
Telegraph reporting that Lukaku wants to leave Chelsea. Get a bid in now Kenwright!
Don't get your hopes up, the Telegraph seem to have chosen to translate his quotes rather oddly, almost as if they're just trying to create a story...
http://www.rtbf.be/sport/football/d...i-auquel-il-laisse-sa-place-samedi?id=8286304
 
I have no hopes because he would cost money haha.

In other Chelsea related news Peter Reid has tweeted saying Fabregas is done.
 
Alexi Sanchez to Utd for€25m......pull the other one it has bells on

Can understand why he might want to leave, but that seems a bargain for a decent wide man, even if he isnt at reus' s level ( in a diff league admittedly)

Good to hear we are at least looking at experienced wide players, but cm and 1 centre half is cruxcial. Pity LvG doesnt seem to rate Mangala if the quotes of him prefering Utd are true
 
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Goals and assists is far from the only thing that matters. If somebody plays a defence splitting pass to a winger who squares it, giving a striker a tap in, he is the most important player in the move but doesn't get a goal or an assist.

Particularly with how Barca play, Iniesta is key in creating space for others.

This works for everyone equally, Fabregas, Messi, Xavi, Pedro, all players play key passes that then turn in to assists for others. But somehow Iniesta is only making the key passes and getting not many goals or assists?

Also again, he takes significantly MORE shots than Fabregas yet has scored 2/5th's the goals. He shoots more and scores less, this directly suggests he is much much more wasteful and a much worse shot. He ISN'T a player who sits deep, never gets inside the box, doesn't shoot much and only makes the pass before the assist. It's not the way he plays, he gets to the 6 yard box frequently with his runs(usually the edge of it rather than in the middle) and frequently shoots rather than passes. He doesn't play deep like Xavi making the pass before the assist, he is the guy on the end of the passes and his final ball isn't that effective. In 8-9 seasons he's barely ever broken 10 goals or assists. A great player, in a purely offensive team, in a purely offensive role, would score or assist more significantly more often, as evidenced by the multitude of players who play similar positions and score/assist more.

I've at no stage suggested stats are the only thing that matter, I see people who keep falling back on that argument who also can't explain why he's shooting more yet scoring less than Fabregas. Rather than explain that, people bring up me thinking stats are all that matters. Even though I haven't only used stats.

The stats merely back up the fact, name another "world class" offensive player who barely scores and doesn't have a good assist rate. Iniesta is the only player in the world apparently who is epic, but only ever makes key passes, not assists. The shooting more than most while scoring at a very poor rate should simply be ignored right?

Lampard, Gerrard, woeful goal scoring/assist rates playing from deeper(usually) than Iniesta does... no wait, that's not true. Mata, Cazorla, Fabregas, Ozil, Ramsey are all players who play effectively between the striker and defensive midfield players, and where Iniesta tends to play, and yet, which of them have terrible stats because they only make the pass before the pass.... none?

Iniesta is the ONLY player in the world who is beyond brilliant yet has crap stats, funny that.

He can look incredibly effective on the ball, he is better than almost everyone at running with the ball, but his final pass/shot is no where near where people pretend it is quality wise. This is merely backed up entirely by his stats.

Again I ask, who can name another purely offensive player who is both brilliant and has crap stats? The odd season, sure, even the best players have bad seasons, but it's effectively non existent for a truly great player to only have one or two stand out seasons.
 
Does anyone know anything about Salih Uçan?

Apparently Roma have signed the guy for around €10M. Only heard him due to transfer speculations, and not for what he does on the field. All sources say good things about the kid, but €10M is not pennies.
 
Does anyone know anything about Salih Uçan?

Apparently Roma have signed the guy for around €10M. Only heard him due to transfer speculations, and not for what he does on the field. All sources say good things about the kid, but €10M is not pennies.

To be fair to majority of well known clubs £7-8m is nothing.

"worth a punt" is a good way of looking at that kind of cost (as they like him as a player), relatively easy to make that and more on a few players of they chose to sell on from current squad
 
Again I ask, who can name another purely offensive player who is both brilliant and has crap stats? The odd season, sure, even the best players have bad seasons, but it's effectively non existent for a truly great player to only have one or two stand out seasons.

Iniesta has been a stand out player every season and has been for years and years, he's quality. I don't know how you get this image in your head that Iniesta is not great in the final 3rd. Fab and Iniesta are both quality midfielders, any team would be lucky to have them.

I'm surprised the figure is so low for Fab that's been quoted, i think it'll be closer to the 45m mark tbh..
 
To be fair to majority of well known clubs £7-8m is nothing.

"worth a punt" is a good way of looking at that kind of cost (as they like him as a player), relatively easy to make that and more on a few players of they chose to sell on from current squad

He has proved little though, that is why I'm kinda iffy. he has played in Turkey, not a top class league.

I can agree with the worth a punt statement, although Roma don't have much money to waste. Don't compare them to PSG, Monaco, City, Chelsea, United etc. but rather like Dortmund (although Dortmund have some good money from the Champions League, they are debt free and the Bundesliga is more profitable), where the purchases are fueled by sales.
 
Iniesta gets huge acclaim for scoring the winner in the world cup, but Fabregas is the guy that got assists in three finals for Spain and was their most important player in at least two of those tournaments, again outscoring/out assisting them in general.

Again, what was the third final he got an assist?

Also pretty big stretch that he was their most important player in any of the three they've won, in fact it's just wrong
 
Also pretty big stretch that he was their most important player in any of the three they've won, in fact it's just wrong
Indeed. It wouldn't be wrong to say Iniesta has been their best player though :cool:

Iniesta
Euro 2012 Player of the Tournament: 2012
2010 FIFA World Cup All-Star Team
2010 FIFA World Cup Man Of The Match vs. Chile, Paraguay and Final vs Netherlands
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament: 2008, 2012
UEFA Euro 2008 Man Of The Match Semi-final vs. Russia
UEFA Euro 2012 Man Of The Match vs. Italy, Croatia, Final vs Italy

Fabregas
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament: 2008, 2012
 
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