Soldato
The travelling community seem to operate with a total disregard for any law. And while the police and the local authorities do nothing to stop them, I can't see this attitude changing.
Travellers descend on Asda car park and refuse to move in stand off with police
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The travelling community seem to operate with a total disregard for any law. And while the police and the local authorities do nothing to stop them, I can't see this attitude changing.
Which is exactly what I pointed out in my post # 128
You appear to be saying that there is a danger for police officers in doing their job, and arresting and prosecuting “traveller” lawbreakers, for the officers homes and families may be targeted for revenge, so they’re soft pedalling on “travellers.”
That’s like a soldier refusing to fire on the enemy, in case the enemy has a big brother, who’ll bash up the soldier’s little brother.
Surely if someone threatens to attack, or attacks an officer’s home or family, BECAUSE an officer has done his job, the authorities should trot out Samuel L Jackson’s line from Pulp Fiction, “And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers.” Ezekiel 25;17.
Regarding what? Oh I don’t know, but I’ll take a wild leap in the dark, and suggest the anti social behaviour of breaking down gates to access private land, walking unhindered into stores and helping themselves to anything they fancy, leaving mounds of crap and bits of cars, human faeces, soiled nappies, taking anything from garages and sheds that they casually break into.
Not enough? I’m sure someone else will think of a good reason.
Perhaps Mods should set up a poll.
The Government proposes doing a deal with Putin to "Resettle" all Travelers to labour camps on Severnaya Zemlya (Lots of minerals up there!)
Do you
a) Hold a street party?
b) Quietly rejoice?
c) Feel slightly uncomfortable ("First they came for" and all that)
d) March in protest?
Quite possibly for similar reason to the blind eye being turned to rape gangs (though obviously with less severe consequences for the victims in general in this case). The whole political correctness thing plus possible fall out/souring of relations with "the community" etc..
AFAIK Scotland already has laws that can be used against illegal traveler camps but an ex senior police officer up there complained that the police were too concerned with being PC to use them. And it seems that there are existing laws the police could make use of in England and Wales too but chose not to. I still think that something akin to the approach taken with squatters is needed - make it a criminal offence and remove the excuse of "its a civil matter".
I did wonder about things like that happening these days, obviously whenever they turn up in villages and the kids raid the local shops, dog walkers can't use the park because they'll be attacked abused etc.. pretty much the entire village just hates them and wants to get rid of them. Back in the day it could literally be a case of pitch forks coming out and the gypsies being sent packing if they turned up and misbehaved, these days normal people with houses need to worry about the risk of being prosecuted, risk to their job etc.. something gypsies don't necessarily need to care about if their income is a mix of dodgy cash in hand building work and robbing pensioners.
Now I've heard of the farms spraying **** in adjacent fields and creating a big stink to drive them off but obvs not applicable to car parks, it is good to hear that people have been taking alternate approaches.
view from the drone would have been better, could have done a slomo bomb release thing a la "Pearl Harbour" w/ dramatic music etc. might have started a trend, leading to a quick and easy method of dealing w/ unwanted ******.
Soldato
Or the Wagnerian 'Apocalypse Now' theme would be Epic. I love the smell of warm **** in the morning
Permabanned
Do many or any states in the USA have similar issues with "traveller" illegality, and if so how do they deal with it? I find our resident police officer's defence of the police's lack of Draconian action in the face of criminality from this section of society difficult to accept. I have been told by several serving and retired police officers that they receive veiled instruction from the top brass to avoid confrontation in these situations, is that not the case?
This is an excerpt from policemag.com, a U.S. website which features articles about “gypsy travellers” sic.
Their world revolves around one thing - the family business: The "con."
A Gypsy child is raised being told the tale of the young Gypsy boy who saved the life of Jesus. The tale (with some variation) tells of four nails made to be used in the crucifixion: one each for the hands of Jesus, one for his feet and the fourth, a nail of gold, for his heart. Late at night the Gypsy boy stole the golden nail, so when the crucifixion took place the next day, only three nails remained. God appears to the young Gypsy boy telling the child his act of thievery saved Jesus from having the nail plunged through his heart. In payment for the boy's deed, God allowed the Gypsies the right to steal with no moral consequences ... forever and ever.
Gypsies choose a lifestyle of thievery, one that is as natural to them as eating and sleeping. This organized crime family, masters of fraud and false identification, does not associate with normal society and speaks a language rarely mastered outside the culture. Seldom caught, rarely prosecuted and almost never jailed, Gypsies even have their own court, known as a "kris" where all grievances (marriage, territory, debts, etc.) are resolved. They look upon the rest of society simply as their "prey."
Caporegime
The person who runs the Elmbridge Police twitter must be on a wind up today!
had to google that and saw this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...esidents-empathy-travellers-illegal-camp.html
comments on twitter in reference to several of the vehicles having no tax/MOT apparently...
also just looking in that article, there is a numberplate on a caravan drawn on with marker pen! Clearly illegal then... and video footage of cars being driven around tearing up the grass... which is again illegal.
Of course the police ignore it all and only mention that they'd step in with regards to criminal damage but of course that is hard to catch people in the act.
Caporegime
Yeah that’s what I was referring to. Feeling empathy for them, just lol.
Soldato
This thread reminded me of this story i saw pop up the other day, it's the Sun though so i don't know how true it is..
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/68851...te-is-a-risk-to-their-kids-health-and-safety/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/68851...te-is-a-risk-to-their-kids-health-and-safety/
Soldato
Street party!Perhaps Mods should set up a poll.
The Government proposes doing a deal with Putin to "Resettle" all Travelers to labour camps on Severnaya Zemlya (Lots of minerals up there!)
Do you
a) Hold a street party?
b) Quietly rejoice?
c) Feel slightly uncomfortable ("First they came for" and all that)
d) March in protest?
Soldato
The more the Police allow and give leeway, the more liberties that will be taken. The attitude of Elmbridge Police in that Tweet just about sums up modern policing, where the perpetrators are considered victims.
Pretty much, yeah. They don't even make use of the laws they do have available. Yet when "Tommy Robinson" shows up outside a court house and they want to just get him arrested for *anything* then they can just cite the generic "breach of the peace" and he's straight in the van and then they can decided later to pull him up for contempt of court.
There was the youtube video where Laura Southern wanted to set up an LGBT rights stand in Luton town centre, locals weren't happy and the police shut it down immediately citing again "breach of the peace"... now I'd suspect locals in most places aren't generally happy with travellers turning up in a local carpark or park, especially when the kids are running around causing chaos, abuse is being shouted, threats are made, cars are driven around in circles on the grass etc.. seems like much more of a potential breech of the peace than accosting alleged rapists outside a court house or setting up an LGBT stand in a muslim area. AFAIK police do have powers to remove travellers in relation to public disorder or serious criminality but it is very rarely used. Let alone all the obvious offences relating to driving on park land, criminal damage, various motoring offences that they turn a blind eye to.
There was the youtube video where Laura Southern wanted to set up an LGBT rights stand in Luton town centre, locals weren't happy and the police shut it down immediately citing again "breach of the peace"... now I'd suspect locals in most places aren't generally happy with travellers turning up in a local carpark or park, especially when the kids are running around causing chaos, abuse is being shouted, threats are made, cars are driven around in circles on the grass etc.. seems like much more of a potential breech of the peace than accosting alleged rapists outside a court house or setting up an LGBT stand in a muslim area. AFAIK police do have powers to remove travellers in relation to public disorder or serious criminality but it is very rarely used. Let alone all the obvious offences relating to driving on park land, criminal damage, various motoring offences that they turn a blind eye to.
And the more likley that communities will take action on their own.
The "Contract" that citizens have with the state whereby Citizens should not take the Law into their own hands is utterly dependent on the Citizens having confidence that the State will do the job for us.
If the state persistently and repeatedly fails to discharge its duty to us then the whole system risks breaking down.
P-Bombs are likley only to be the beginning.