Turkey Grand Prix 2010, Istanbul Park - Race 7/19

He was only told it was crucial because Mclaren didnt want him having another go at there golden boy.

Yup, because they didn't tell golden boy to slow down and save fuel, did they, oh wait.

At every stage, without fail, Hamilton was faster than Button, you also got the distinct impression that Button could not catch a Red Bull and wouldn't have been able to pull away while Hamilton was basically faster, in dirty air(he spent the entire race closer to the car infront than Button did) and had he gotten past Webber he Hamilton would likely have pulled out a lead as Webber in Hamiltons dirty air would almost certainly be slower.

As for conserving fuel, it was clear as day Hamilton was told to slow down to conserve fuel and obvious from his laptimes he instantly slowed down, this was the ONLY stage Button was faster, and Button was told he needed to slow down aswell.

Both cars would be fueled the same and getting the same fuel saving instructions, Button decided to try and get ahead of Hamilton after he slowed down for tactical reasons, at race pace Button wasn't able to gain on Hamilton

Pretending otherwise is hilariously biased, in any way trying to claim that Button was the faster driver is, daft.

I think Hamilton had a poor day though, I think his line through 3-4 corners was needlessly tight. Especially the last corner, infact when he was forced wide after Button overtook him, he got his cleanest run through the corner, starting wide and sweeping much faster through the corner. The rest of the race he goes in far to tight, kills to much speed and is slow out the corner. Sometimes the Redbulls didn't have the grip to turn into some corners, in other corners they were just taking a wider faster line.


The Vettel/Webber incident had me in stitches, it was hilarious, still can't quite decide who was in the wrong. If Webber had just moved over when it was clear Vettel had the inside and was clearly faster, he should have just pulled over for safety. Vettel shouldn't have moved over but could he fairly expect that Webber would know he was done and would pull over, probably. really both their faults though 65/35 with Vettel the most at fault.

Both of them are absolute idiots though, though it almost seems more ridiculous that Button, having seen the two infront take themselves out, decided to try the same by going after him, and then turning into him into the first corner.
 
Exactly. Thus the code phrase: "please conserve fuel". Which means, "Hold station till the end of the race, don't overtake/race eachother".

The only way to be sure would be to check just how much fuel Button had left in his car. If he had plenty, it means that there was no need to conserve fuel and that McLaren were telling their drivers to stop racing, using the code phrase, "Conserve fuel".

Its not even just conserving fuel, they had 30 seconds lead, and entirely no need at all to push the cars hard. A 1st/2nd between them and cars right on the brink with tyres/chassis/breaks/fuel/something failing at the end of a long race when the cars are most likely to fail, or a 1-2 with two cars not pushing hard, saving parts, maybe lasting an extra race, or testing/practice somewhere, no tyres bursting on the final couple laps, no hydralic failures, no engines blowing up.

As a team, the second is the EASY choice and happens in basically every race when the leaders have that big a lead.

Had they both raced full out till the end, on pace alone Hamilton wins, with ease, but both cars have a significantly higher chance of failure, the team decided finishing 1-2 was the most important thing and they both have to slow down to save the cars, the guy ahead the whole race(of the two) gets to finish 1st.

This happens so frequently, its so standard for team mates to do this in that position, its embarassing that Button decided it was his only chance to pass his team mate
 
Well if anything it proves that Button isnt top dog at McLaren....i loved the way Hammy took the position back from him...was like saying to him...get back in your place boyyyyy:p:D

Personally dont like Button myself...never have never will but if he wins the F1 championship again then ill be happy enough that it went to a british driver rather than an arrogant german and a cocky Aussie:p
 
From the BBC

"Just reinterviewed Christian Horner who now feels Webber pushed Vettel onto dirty side and says Webber slow as saving fuel!"

Horner you are a noob :mad:
 
Awesome race!!!
I am also in the minority that thinks although Vettel was mainly at fault, MW clearly was stupid in holding him to the line, with the little the drivers can see, any little move from Vettel and disaster was inevitable! Remember that MW should have been drifting back right to the racing line, Vettel was storming by, MW should have blended the throttle to just let Vettel through, and conserve his own speed. Still it was technically Vettels fault for moving over, but I don't see it as straight cut as most.

And the MacLarens where superb, what a comeback! I heard the call to LH to save fuel many laps before JB caught him up, so clearly the little cheeky episode is tainted by that, I do think LH has more pace then JB, but not by much, and he wasn't happy at being mugged by JB, but was nice to see him fight back.. it all sorted itself out, so no harm done!
Still a solid race by JB, but as usual, apart from the opening MS overtake who was in a much slower car, all he did was hold station as usual and fed off events up ahead, which is why he doesn't quite gel with some people, he needs to show some balls more often!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8713752.stm - good interview with LH, certainly shows more about the fuel situation and its effect
 
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Of course he wouldn't slow down and let Webber through, all Vettel had to do was brake in a straight line and the corner would have been his.

Vettel needed a wider line in order to make his move stick otherwise Webber would've come straight back at him, he took the risk to try and push Webber over and it backfired.

Also I'd like to see the FIA try to force teams to put more fuel in this "slow down to save fuel" **** is a joke, even if it was team tactics don't give them that excuse.
 
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From the BBC

"Just reinterviewed Christian Horner who now feels Webber pushed Vettel onto dirty side and says Webber slow as saving fuel!"

Horner you are a noob :mad:

Is Horner German??...if so then no surprise that hes going to back up a fellow countryman.
 
Is Horner German??...if so then no surprise that hes going to back up a fellow countryman.

Horner is British ffs, former F3000 and F2 driver as well

And that accident is 110% Vettel's fault, Webber does not have him an inch more than the width of his car (if that), if he cannot make it stick then he should back out of it.


EDIT: I think it's starting to show who the top 2 teams favour as their no 1 driver though now, and it aint the correct people imo
 
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Horner is British ffs, former F3000 and F2 driver as well

And that accident is 110% Vettel's fault, Webber does not have him an inch more than the width of his car (if that), if he cannot make it stick then he should back out of it.
He was never an F2 driver, that series hadn't existed for years until its recent 'revival'. ;)
 
Horner is British ffs, former F3000 and F2 driver as well

And that accident is 110% Vettel's fault, Webber does not have him an inch more than the width of his car (if that), if he cannot make it stick then he should back out of it.


EDIT: I think it's starting to show who the top 2 teams favour as their no 1 driver though now, and it aint the correct people imo

**** me fella relax will you...it was a simple question that required a simple yes or no FFS.

Anyhow didnt realise he was british...never heard of the guy till he started working for Red Bull....just assumed that he was German,...sorry my bad eh??
 
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some interesting rumours popping up regarding mark being told to reduce his fuelling at the same time vettel was lining up his move and other associated douchebaggery from red bull to engineer vettel in front.

all rumour, some bits from autosport others from bbc.

still could be interesting.
 
Horner is British ffs, former F3000 and F2 driver as well

And that accident is 110% Vettel's fault, Webber does not have him an inch more than the width of his car (if that), if he cannot make it stick then he should back out of it.


EDIT: I think it's starting to show who the top 2 teams favour as their no 1 driver though now, and it aint the correct people imo

Look how far ahead Vettel was on impact.. They should have been moving back to the racing line, MW was almost (not quite) as daft for Holding Vettel to the line, honestly what was MW trying to achieve? for me he was just being as aggressive.

Look at LH, he left JB room at all times, he could have benn uber aggressive (but still within the rules), but they'd have also had a coming to..

6 of one, half a dozen of the other...
 
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