Turkey Grand Prix 2010, Istanbul Park - Race 7/19

dannyjo22 said:
There have big big rumours that Kimi has signed for Red Bull already for next year. Would Red Bull really prefer him to win the title over seb and then get given the push for a past it drunk? ;)

Something fishy has gone on 'for sure' with the talk of engines being turned down and sebs up.

It's pretty dirty if that turns out to be the case.
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Could have sworn Mark had already secured an extension for next year - admittedly only one year but still......

Highly unlikely Kimi would get such a plum seat either imo - after how terrible (comparatively) he was in the last year at Ferrari
 
FrankJH said:
Highly unlikely Kimi would get such a plum seat either imo - after how terrible (comparatively) he was in the last year at Ferrari
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It is possible. Kimi might be asked to come and serve as No.2 to Vettel. Kimi is a very relaxed guy and probably wouldn't argue. Though he might "forget" to allow Vettel to pass him on the track, if that situation ever arose ;)
 
depends what you call "rain" lol

Yes there where a few instances of moisture on the camera lenses (both fixed and on cars) but whether it was noticable to the drivers........unlikely I would have thought :)
 
I honestly wouldn't say Jenson has the raw speed of Lewis. He makes less mistakes and is easier on tyres but there's no denying Hamilton is more exciting to watch.

IMO.
 
re kimi - yeah I guess so, but if Vettel where ever to retire from a race I would still bank on MW fighting more for any position for the team over Kimi (after his final year in F1 with the Prancing Horse)
 
the whiner on the crash he caused-

''"If you watch it on the TV, you can see what happened. I'm not in the happiest of moods. I was on the inside going into the corner. I was there, I was ahead and focusing on the braking point and then we touched. Mark's car hit my rear right wheel and I went off''

that's what happens when you swerve into people twit.
 
Of course Mark will fight more, however, as we are discovering, Mark Webber doesnt seem comfortable following team orders and allowing Vettel to overtake him. I don't blame him as at this moment in time, its pretty obvious that Webber is the in-form driver at RedBull. He has beaten Vettel for 3 races on the trot now.

RedBull even came out with an excuse that Vettel's lack of speed (for the previous 2 races) was due to damage to his chassis. They then brought a new chassis to Turkey, but nothing changed - Webber was still faster when it counted.

IMO, even if there was damage to Vettel's chassis, it was not the cause of Vettel getting outperformed by Webber. Webber beat Vettel, fair and square.

One other thing I've noticed is that Vettel struggles when it comes to racing wheel to wheel. Put him on pole and he is great...ask him to race from the back, to the front, and he struggles. Massa is similar in this respect.
 
sunama said:
Mark Webber doesnt seem comfortable following team orders and allowing Vettel to overtake him. I don't blame him as at this moment in time, its pretty obvious that Webber is the in-form driver at RedBull. He has beaten Vettel for 3 races on the trot now.
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good, because-

1, team orders are banned.
2, there's no reason to blame the person who was took off by another persons screw-up.
3, hes a racing driver ho shouldn't 'allow' any driver to easily overtake him.
 
FrankJH said:
What an awesome fail!!!!

JB was matching LH's pace all the way (and getting fastest laps on a number of occasions in the mid 30's) while still conserving fuel before LH was first asked to

Certainly puts a completely different complexion on your view dont ya think!!!
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Oh dear, bring the forum chav speak out why don't you.. I made an observation on the situation, not some attack on anyone.. calm down..

I assume you don't like my rather frank review of JB's performance..
Still a solid race by JB, but as usual, apart from the opening MS overtake who was in a much slower car, all he did was hold station as usual and fed off events up ahead, which is why he doesn't quite gel with some people, he needs to show some balls more often!!
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How is that so offensive, did he or did he not just sit 1.5 seconds or more behind Vettel for ages, then when Vettel Jumped LH, did JB not then sit 1.5+ seconds behind LH? until the incident and fuel saving malarky which I don't want to get into. In the same period of time, what was LH's gap to the car in front, and how many times did he get totally in touch with them down to the last complex?

And as for the fuel, both had to save fuel, but from LH's mouth, he said he had targets to hit and was surprised to see Button right behind him, however I don't believe the necessary facts are available to know who was doing what fuel wise, all we saw was LH slow down, JB didn't, then the overtake/re-overtake (awesome btw), but then JB got a critical fuel warning, and slowed down considerably after that, LH didn't have to slow down as much in the last few laps? You can read what you want into it, I prefer not to, because you can't prove a thing either way..

Some people are so sensitive, if you remotely don't swoon to JB, you must be ridiculed as if in the school playground, and I like the bloke, but me, and it seems a lot of people seem to not find him as challenging a driver as others..

:)

Oh, and didn't Alguesauri also set a faster lap then the pair of them at some point? does this mean he's better then both of them?.. I don't think so.. which is why I don't put 'spot' laptimes above what my eyes are telling me over the whole race duration..
 
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dannyjo22 said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8713859.stm

Well this video would suggest you are wrong and interesting that Lewis was told 3 laps earlier(lap 17) than Jenson(lap20) to start saving fuel.
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That may not be the case, Jenson says he was conserving from lap 20, and says Lewis was conserving from 3 laps before - but doesn't say whether thats 3 laps before he started (lap 17), or 3 laps before the overtake (lap 45).

The fact that he then says that perhaps Lewis was getting up to speed (with saving fuel) indicates it may well be the latter, and lewis was shown recieving a message on lap 44 to save fuel - 1.59.50 on iplayer.

So if that was his first message (which occurs after Brundle said Jenson was catching Lewis) it seems that Button had to conserve fuel from a much earlier point, but perhaps Lewis had to be more drastic as he started later.

Again, we won't really know, but needless to say both Jenson and Lewis were saving fuel during the overtake, but possibly to different extents.
 
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During the replays of the incident Christian Horner mouthed the word "move" when he saw Vettel up the inside of Webber and Webber sticking to his line. Then there was the hugs with Vettel on the pit wall after he got back to the pits.

Then in the interview with the BBC afterwards he kept saying that we tell our drivers to make room.

For me all that points to Horner blaming Webber for not letting Vettel by.

I think Red Bull would prefer Vettel to win the title in order to secure him for future years. Webber is a lot older and may only race for a few more seasons, especially if he looses his seat to Kimi, as some rumours suggest he will.
 
The funny thing is though, if RB back Vettel, then they may not even win either championship. AGAIN!

Vettel is quick, but like Massa, he will tootle along when he started for the whole race.
 
If RB don't resign Webber though, theres little chance he'll do anything but fight for outright victory even if it means treating his team mate like any other competitor.

I'm sure there are a few teams that would like Webber (Renault and Williams spring to mind more than Ferarri), even if it would be a step back for him in terms of car performance.
 
hiroofheroes said:
That may not be the case, Jenson says he was conserving from lap 20, and says Lewis was conserving from 3 laps before - but doesn't say whether thats 3 laps before he started (lap 17), or 3 laps before the overtake (lap 45).

The fact that he then says that perhaps Lewis was getting up to speed (with saving fuel) indicates it may well be the latter, and lewis was shown recieving a message on lap 44 to save fuel (1.59.50 on iplayer).

So if that was his first message (which occurs after Brundle said Jenson was catching Lewis) it seems that Button had to conserve fuel from a much earlier point, but perhaps Lewis had to be more drastic as he started later.

Again, we won't really know, but needless to say both Jenson and Lewis were saving fuel during the overtake.
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Exactly, who knows what was happening, JB and LH had a different race for starters, I'd expect LH to have burnt more fuel with the constant pressure he was putting on MW, and then SV... Surely that would be the case, so why this huge surprise and spin about it all?

:)
 
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