i would have thought you would use more fuel because you in dirty air so lose downforce so you have to drive faster to keep up.
Turkey Grand Prix 2010, Istanbul Park - Race 7/19
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i would have thought you would use more fuel because you in dirty air so lose downforce so you have to drive faster to keep up.
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He was slipstreaming him a fair bit on the straights though. Probably evens out when you factor in the corners.
Hamilton pulled away because Button had slowed right down after both drivers got told to calm down. Button also managed a lap nearly 2 tenths of a second than Hamilton did. But no - ofcourse Hamilton was the quick driver.
They both drove good races and the bit of overtaking at the end was great too watch. Looking forward to Canada now
doubt it much, if he got slipstreams he would pass him with the McLaren's superior straight line speed.
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pretty much what he said on the forum. Button also said that he didnt know about "save fuel code words"
If you're following a car "in tow" you can actually save fuel. This was why webber had his engine turned down and vettel had a laps worth left and was able to pull alongside.
peeps really should watch the forum b4 spouting rubbish on here
So effectively CH IS blaming MW for the off.
That suxx
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/30052010/58/horner.html?
as stated, listen to Christian Horner, he should know his stuff after alll
(but I think the theory goes that in someone else's tow your car has to use less power to keep the same speed - basically being in a bit of an air bubble right behind the car, albeit a different motor sport the theory is also mentioned in Days of Thunder with Nicole Kidman's leg being a racetrack hahaha)
Edit - after the McLaren's overtook one another I believe JB was also short shifting quite considerably to conserve more fuel, which is why he suddenly lost 3s or so to LH
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Ridiculous, I doubt Vettel could have made it stick from there without forcing Webber off the road in the turn anyway, if he didnt think he could make the turn he should've backed out of it, not endangered them both by coming across. I really dont see how any blame can be left with Webber and if I was him, I'd be thoroughly annoyed at Horner's stance. Hopefully this fires him up for the rest of the season, as if he needed any more incentive.
but you also have to break and wrestle the car about more, due to turbulence. I would expect fuel to be higher consumption when battling, than driving out in front on your own, just driving smoothly.
They haven't had problems in other races.
They haven't had problems in other races.
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More than likely.
But Webber doesn't strike me as the sort of bloke to toe the line if it's to his disadvantage. Not that I blame him for that in the slightest.
CH clearly says that "following another car it is pretty standard that you will save 1kg of fuel/lap"
Now admittedly he doesnt state whether thats just following calmly - or battling to try and overtake, but as Vettel was battling with Mark as much as Lewis was battling with Seb, I dont see why there would be much difference
Have to say Im a bit confused why regulars in these threads are so bemused by this as its been mentioned for years (even if now its more important due to no re-fueling - its been mentioned loads in regards to cars going longer than expected before pitstops etc)
edit - given how unquestionably Mark has visibly stepped up a gear recently and been outperforming Vettel for the last two or three races, I would be very surprised if Christian asked Mark to get out of the lead - surely thats exactly how to knobble your own team mid-season!! It just makes no sense (even if Vettel is the "future" of the team) it just has complete **** up written all over it imo - if thats the case
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If he admitted that there were code words, he would be admitting that team orders had an effect on the result - something which is banned in F1. If he admitted that, McLaren could be penalised in some way and Button would probably be shifted out at the end of the season (just as Alonso was when he made his thread in 2007).
There is absolutely no way that a member of a team will admit to team orders using code words, or otherwise. It is fair to say though, that team-orders do play a part. This is virtually 100% guaranteed.
1stly Button would just blank the question rather than actually answer it (or answer but not answer if you know what I mean), but he actually catagorically answered it, so I think thats unlikely (in regards to fuel reference specifically)
2nd I dont think team orders from McLaren had any effect on the result today, they both over took cleanly both times and they both were very happy after the race (and Lewis being subdued was more to do with RB's failure rather than him winning outright as stated previously)
Dont think JB would have been smiling so much or so chatty afterwards if there were some team orders in place - even if 2nd is still a brilliant result considering the fubar that was Monaco from his point of view
Team orders definitely do still exist, I dont doubt it, but it didnt effect today's result from McLaren's point of view. Maybe they did affect Red Bull, but if they expect MW to give up a win (if any team expect anyone on the grid to give up a win at this point in the season) then they really shouldnt be running a racing team imo. After all with the points system as it is now, two decent results can really change your fortunes as Mark has proved recently. Totally different if one driver is totally out ofthe running at the end of the season though
2nd I dont think team orders from McLaren had any effect on the result today, they both over took cleanly both times and they both were very happy after the race (and Lewis being subdued was more to do with RB's failure rather than him winning outright as stated previously)
Dont think JB would have been smiling so much or so chatty afterwards if there were some team orders in place - even if 2nd is still a brilliant result considering the fubar that was Monaco from his point of view
Team orders definitely do still exist, I dont doubt it, but it didnt effect today's result from McLaren's point of view. Maybe they did affect Red Bull, but if they expect MW to give up a win (if any team expect anyone on the grid to give up a win at this point in the season) then they really shouldnt be running a racing team imo. After all with the points system as it is now, two decent results can really change your fortunes as Mark has proved recently. Totally different if one driver is totally out ofthe running at the end of the season though
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Sort of. Although it means that the two McLaren drivers are closer, there will be days where that car is nowhere near the form of the Red Bull, which gives Webber some good chances to pull away again. However, when Webber's car is quick, you can pretty much guarantee that Vettel's will be as well, since it's identical. So yeah, you could say that Webber would like the gap to his team-mate to be as big as possible at times.
I was checking over the race results and low and behold, Alonso did catch his team-mate, but failed to get past him. Apparently it was the soft tyres which Alonso was unhappy with. As he qualified with those same tyres, he struggled. As soon as he switched to the hard tyre, he was on his way, putting in decent lap times.
Another observation: not long ago, Rosberg was in 2nd place in the title race. After 2-3 races, he has slipped down to 8th. With the new points system, it only takes 2 races to lose a lot of ground to your competitors.
Also Hamilton is gradually reeling Button in. He is now 4 points behind Button.
And 3 word champions are now lying in 2nd, 3rd and 4th place.
With 25 points for a race win, you can't really count anybody out of the title race.
Also Hamilton is gradually reeling Button in. He is now 4 points behind Button.
And 3 word champions are now lying in 2nd, 3rd and 4th place.
With 25 points for a race win, you can't really count anybody out of the title race.
and just as easily Button could be leading if it werent for the team fubar in Monaco lol
hahaha i understand what yur getting at frank.
there aint no ifs or buts in F1, you can come up with a hundred excuses why any of the drivers coud be at the top, its the full package that counts, driver, car, team.
in f1 mistakes cost you championships, no point in dewelling on the what ifs.
besides that, good showing for mclaren, they look like they really have made an advance in performance, might not be quite enough to stop the redbull dominance, but certainly a good step towards it.
even coming from a mclaren fan it was a shame to see the incident with the red bulls, webber didnt deserve that.
found the race to be quite exciting though, love that track.