Man of Honour
If you turn the volume up on the vid you can just about here Seb the Pleb saying RAMMING SPEEEEED!!!
If you turn the volume up on the vid you can just about here Seb the Pleb saying RAMMING SPEEEEED!!!
I mean this light heartedly, I care not for the detail of why the drivers had different fuel saving requirements, it is obvious there where many many reasons this occurs, some obvious, some not so obvious, the point was, it's normal for drivers to have a difference, so when assessing the claims of conspiracy at RB, there is at least some reasoning behind why Seb/Mark would legitimately get in the inevitable situation where one would have more fuel and therefore more speed then the other, hence why cry of foul play needs slightly tempering.
Oh, and I'm flattered you keep picking up on my posts, but give up, I already like JB, I just don't love him blindly..
It is OK to like more then 1 driver you know.. (or console for that matter )
So true. Both McLaren drivers could've taken eachother off, if they had the "Thou Shall Not Yield" attitude of Webber and Vettel.
Yes, Vettel should not have moved into Webber so abruptly like he did. But Webber had plenty of room to his right and when he saw Vettel moving into him, he should've moved a little to the right. It's almost as if Webber had closed his eyes and thought to himself, "The car on my left is a figment of my imagination and does not actually exist."
Webber has to take his share of the blame.
Another point that annoys me this year is the crap about saving fuel, why don't they just fill up the cars with enough fuel to go 100% for the full race, it can't make that big of a difference in laptimes, or does it?
Another point that annoys me this year is the crap about saving fuel, why don't they just fill up the cars with enough fuel to go 100% for the full race, it can't make that big of a difference in laptimes, or does it?
Webber has to take his share of the blame.
Another point that annoys me this year is the crap about saving fuel, why don't they just fill up the cars with enough fuel to go 100% for the full race, it can't make that big of a difference in laptimes, or does it?
One trigger for the problems is that the teams are starting races this year knowing that at some point they must save fuel to get to the finish.
It sounds crazy but it costs a 10th of a second a lap to carry a lap's worth of fuel. In the 58-lap Turkish Grand Prix, that is equivalent to 5.8 seconds.
When we saw the two Red Bulls and the two McLarens all circulating within a total of 2.2 seconds after 40 laps yesterday you can see the relevance.
So the teams under-fill their cars as much as they dare so they are as fast as possible in the crucial early part of the race leading up to the pit stops, knowing they can back the engines off to save fuel when they have secured their track position later on.
Do me a favour, sunama. Look at it again.
Webber is travelling on a consistent trajectory. Vettel turned to the right despite being in no way clear of Webber. He was trying to bully him into backing off and surrendering the lead, and spectacularly misjudged it.
So, why, if Vettel was completely at fault, did the Stewards/FIA not get involved, bearing in mind that (according to some of you) Vettel was 100% at fault and that this was definitely not a racing incident where both drivers are at fault?
So the difference is 6 seconds, but they have to slow down later on that can cost seconds or even more than the 6 seconds gained.One trigger for the problems is that the teams are starting races this year knowing that at some point they must save fuel to get to the finish.
It sounds crazy but it costs a 10th of a second a lap to carry a lap's worth of fuel. In the 58-lap Turkish Grand Prix, that is equivalent to 5.8 seconds.
When we saw the two Red Bulls and the two McLarens all circulating within a total of 2.2 seconds after 40 laps yesterday you can see the relevance.
So the teams under-fill their cars as much as they dare so they are as fast as possible in the crucial early part of the race leading up to the pit stops, knowing they can back the engines off to save fuel when they have secured their track position later on.
Vettel could have braked and not completed the overtake, there is no blame for Webber at all
So someone that rams his car into the sidepod of the other car at 200mph without giving him time to react is correct and the driver that stays on the line he was driving the whole straight and does nothing illegal is wrongWebber choose an action that although technically valid was IMO very poor indeed..