Turkey Grand Prix 2010, Istanbul Park - Race 7/19

Demon said:
Vettel should not have braked at all, he had such a speed advantage he was storming by, it was Vettels rear wheel that caught webbers front, such was the overlap, and they wheren't even quite at the corner, basically, it was Vettels corner, he would arrive their first, all MW could have possibly done is tried to defend around the outside (same line Jenson took against Lewis), but if Vettel wanted to be aggressive, having his nose well and truly in front meant he could have closed the door by apexing early, running wide and squeezing webber off the track, which he would have been entitled to do..

Webber choose an action that although technically valid was IMO very poor indeed..

Technically correct, logically daft.. IMO.. :)
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So basically you are saying that if you get two wheels ahead going into the corner, the other driver should just yield if its a team mate?
I dunno what you think racing is, but being ahead is very different to making it stick.

So we are going to get team mates just making crazy dives into corners expecting their sister car to yield, great plan.
 
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sunama said:
It would appear that Webber's race engineer (Ciaron Pilbeam) was told to pass on the message to Webber, to allow Vettel through.

Vettel thought the message had been given, as did Horner.

Unfortunately, it had not been passed on, so Webber was not aware he was supposed to allow Vettel through.

Based on the above, the crash was due to Ciaron Pilbeam, not passing on the message to Webber, who thought he was racing Vettel and was allowed to defend.

It would appear that RedBull have reached the point where they feel they have to back 1 driver over the other. That driver is Vettel.
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That explains why Red Bull blamed Webber, he didn't follow orders... it also explains Vettels "loopy" gesture as he was expecting Webber to roll over for him... it's ridiculous to expect Webber to let Vettel through when they're both on the same points in the championship.

It almost sounds like RBR are trying to manufacture another 5 times champion Schumacher style.
 
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So instead of giving a team orders teams now say that the driver needs to slow down because of fuel and allow the teammate to overtake so he isn't held up.

Somehow I doubt Vettel would be told to allow Webber to overtake if they roles were reversed.
 
Team orders are against the rules.

I suspect the only people who will be privy to that information at red bull will be the people at the very top.

Bet the gossip in the factory canteen will be interesting though :D
 
sunama said:
Based on the above, the crash was due to Ciaron Pilbeam, not passing on the message to Webber, who thought he was racing Vettel and was allowed to defend.
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No, it is still vettles fault, no need to move into your team mate on an effective straight.
It's also illegal, so where did you get this from.
 
So let me get this straight, Red Bull issued orders to let vettel come through even though Webber was leading the championship and had gotten pole in the last 3 races and 2 wins on the bounce looking for his third?

I don't care if the maccas where catching, they still wouldn't have gone fast enough to get a run on vettel. The whole thing stinks.

No driver should be expected to move over when leading with no pitstops left to come.
 
I wasn't sure on no refuelling before, but now I quite like it, it's more difficult for the teams to seperate their two drivers strategy, so the de facto number one in the team can be outperformed in qualifying as they are both running on vapours leading to more drama on the track on the Sunday.

I hope the events in Turkey just spur Webber on even more, I thought before the start of the season the big team mate fallout to look forward to was at Ferrari, but now it looks like we can see some good drama at Redbull and perhaps McLaren.

Roll on Canada, can't wait :D.
 
PinkFloyd said:
Nail on the head danny.

I hope Webber absolutely trounces Vettel in Canada.
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Vettel did nothing wrong.

He was told by his team that he will be given preferential treatment. During the race, he was told that Webber will let you through. When he went to overtake, Webber didnt let him through.

This would explain why Horner was angry and blaming Webber (for not following orders, which Horner thought had been given) and Vettel was thinking to himself, "Why the hell did Webber not move over?"

The drivers are not at fault.
Horner is not at fault, as he has the right to give preferential treatment to whomever he wishes - he is in charge.
Webber's engineer is at fault, as he did not relay the message to Webber, asking him to let Vettel through.
 
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sunama said:
The drivers are not at fault.
Horner is not at fault, as he has the right to give preferential treatment to whomever he wishes - he is in charge.
Webber's engineer is at fault, as he did not relay the message to Webber, asking him to let Vettel through.
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Agreed (mostly)

If the story is true that is.

Althought not to blame Horner is still in the wrong. Team orders are now against the rules and he shouldnt be issuing them.
 
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