Turkey Grand Prix 2010, Istanbul Park - Race 7/19
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Serbian snipers.. they've got form. There's a reason Belgrade has been destroyed over 30 times in its history... incidentally i'm off there in a couple of weeks. lol
Would be nice to hear what CS||nuTs has to say about it all, but I expect RBR have ensured that no loose cannons go around blurting out anything interesting
Well he did say he wasn't working for the race and was going to sit down relax and actually enjoy a race.
My bet is he exploded with rage
I guess this means you think McLaren were (trying to / did) ordering team orders then?
I dont know whether they were or not (and after what happpened with the RB pair who can blame them) but rules are rules.....
The only thing Im thinking that it may actually have been the case is....
1) For the first few races I would guess majority of teams would have over-compensated with the fuel to make sure they get to the end ...in regards to fuel at least, now that the leading teams have more of an idea of fuel requirements, they may well be running leaner anyway
2) McLaren have made a huge jump forward without anything major going on the car, and while Red Bull had a few failures (old engine I believe - so shouldnt have been that big a concern, and a water-intake or somesuch I seem to recall ...not sure exactly how serious this was), I still dont think RB turned the wick down that much to compensate for the McLaren upturn
Apart from turn 8 where RB had a massive advantage by being able to go full throttle and gain huge amounts (in quali especially) , I just cant see where RB where losing out to the same extent without it being fuel related - ie maybe they werent as light as McLaren , who could have been burning more due to their proximity / fighting ability
Whether we will ever know one way or the other I dont know, I doubt it somehow - but I would be genuinely interested to know your thoughts
I believe one of the BBC blogs said much the same after the race- cant remember who though
edit - maybe the rubber tubing on the RBR made the difference maybe it didnt - Canada should be very interesting indeed
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All things planned.. I'm going to miss my first GP of the season this Sunday.. 
Just when things we're looking interesting for McLaren.
Fortunately I should be able to isolate myself from news sources until my return.
Only a few days till a nice shiny new thread... bets on the BBC having a Rocky montage between Vettel and Webber?
Just when things we're looking interesting for McLaren.Fortunately I should be able to isolate myself from news sources until my return.
Only a few days till a nice shiny new thread... bets on the BBC having a Rocky montage between Vettel and Webber?
Interesting review - http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/06/06/technical-review-turkish-grand-prix/
Webber signs for 2011:
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/06/07/webber-signs-with-red-bull-for-2011/
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/06/07/webber-signs-with-red-bull-for-2011/
yep, I am sure that was nothing but team orders. Jenson kept attacking. that would not happen if he thought he wouldn't make it to the end of teh race.
As in the article, they've only made about half teh time, where RBR have been running illegal aero designs, which have no been removed. Can't believe there so little articles and nothing from the fia.
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As in the article, they've only made about half teh time, where RBR have been running illegal aero designs, which have no been removed. Can't believe there so little articles and nothing from the fia.
Maybe a new thing in the FIA..the less we know the better?
Roll on Canada
Acid you doing your thread early or is someone else doing it?
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I agree. Button although not as fast Hamilton, has a better strategic mind which means he would have known about any issues surrounding his lack of fuel (if that really was an issue).
Hamilton was told that Button would not try and pass him if he turned down his fuel settings and drove slower.
Button then tried to overtake, resulting in Hamilton responding.
At this point, Button was "reminded to conserve fuel". At this point, Button immediately fell back by a big margin.
What really sent alarm bells ringing was when Hamilton looked p'd off, when he was on the podium - not the face of someone who had just won their first GP of the season. Some of you said that this was because the RedBull cars had had the collision, but I felt that was nonsense...there was another reason.
Personally, I feel that teams should be permitted to give team orders, as and how they please. Its not like they the FIA can stop them ... the teams merely use code phrases now, instead of making it blatantly obvious.
Yep a bit weird.
what team was it that had the fuel pressurisation system. IIRC they didn't actually prove teh car was under weight at any point, just that it could drop below the minimum weight. Or am I not remembering it correctly. Yet RBR have parts that are clearly Illegal and nothing on the formula1 website or anything else. They also knew hence the crowding of people around it.
I really hopped this season and teh change in fia would bring an end to these silly decisions, but so far we have had MSC stripped of points, despite the fact race control messed up know illegal parts being swept under the carpet. Madness.
I really hopped this season and teh change in fia would bring an end to these silly decisions, but so far we have had MSC stripped of points, despite the fact race control messed up know illegal parts being swept under the carpet. Madness.
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Honda fuel tank 'sump'. Yep they never got proved to be actually doing anything wrong. They never got caught cheating but when asked if the car was empty they replied yet. The fia then lifted the car something they didn't do with any other team and proved some fuel was still in the car.
Honda got banned for two races. Every man and his dog knows that Honda was one of atleast 5 other teams using the same system.
That was a witch hunt pure and simple. Honda even proved with weights and figures of fuel burn that at no time could the car have run underweight during a gp.
I amazed that red bull have gotten away with this, but then it's good for the sport to have other winners. I maintain the diffuser on the brawn would have been banned had the fairy tale story not been so high profile.
Remember that F1 (just like any sport, these days) is driven by money. Money is important.
Considering the above, the FIA have to think about the audiences, viewing figures and sponsors, before taking any decision to ban/penalise a team/driver.
Having RedBull in the mix this year is spicing the championship up nicely. If they were to get themselves banned, it is quite possible that Hamilton could run away with this year's championship, making it boring for all viewers, except those supporting Hamilton.
Now if Ferrari could get their act together, then that would leave the way clear to hand out RedBull a big fat punishment as a championship battle between Hamilton and Alonso would be mouth-watering.
This is just as damaging to teh sport, as it turns it into a scripted race. That is why the news has been so restricted.
I hope one of teh teams lodge legal action, that would blow the doors of and reveal what a stupid sport this is turning into.
They could at least say it's illegal, do news reports on it and just make them remove it and give them a fat fine.
I hope one of teh teams lodge legal action, that would blow the doors of and reveal what a stupid sport this is turning into.
They could at least say it's illegal, do news reports on it and just make them remove it and give them a fat fine.
Exactly look at all the fuss a few years ago with the ferrari bargeboards. Yet this time it's pretty much gone unreported, no one cares.
I find it hard to swallow when cheating like this goes on that's very visible. It's easy to prove they used it in every race, unlike say something in the engine.
Yet what do you do, exclude the cars from the points for those races or give them a few race penatlies etc.
It's tough to know what to do, when it's not the drivers fault and the car has passed inspection before, during and after each race.
Myself personally I'd remove constructor points and leave the drivers as is depending on the nature of the advantage. Clearly though it has given Red Bull a major laptime advantage, while everyone else concerned themselves with ride height
It's a tough one to call.
