While not calibrated to the absolute T, they come well calibrated out of the box. At least they do on the premium OLEDs. I'm sure RTINGs review will back this.
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While not calibrated to the absolute T, they come well calibrated out of the box. At least they do on the premium OLEDs. I'm sure RTINGs review will back this.
Haha yeah, how can you take someone seriously when they come out with a comment like that
It's mostly noticeable on 24hz stuff, it's a result of OLED having near instant pixel response time, i think rtings had a reasonable article explaining it. OLEDs consistently score badly in their reviews for stutter.
edit - from their C9 review:
Frame Hold Time @ 24 fps
39.3 ms
Frame Hold Time @ 60 fps
14.3 ms
Due to the nearly instantaneous response time, 24p motion can appear to stutter, as each frame is held static onscreen for nearly the entire time. This can be especially noticeable in slow panning shots when watching movies.
If this effect bothers you, you can either enable the TV's OLED Motion feature, which can help a bit, or enable the C9's motion interpolation feature.
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I’m slowly dragging my neighbours in the 21st century by introducing them to HD. In the last 2 years I’ve replaced an Olympic swimming pool’s worth of scart cables. Quite a few of them had 1080i capable flatscreens and satellite receivers with HDMI connectivity, but kept using their old scart cables. The look on their elderly faces when a €5 HDMI cable and a minute checking a couple of system menus gives them a huge increase in picture quality is priceless.
Still find an old CRT connected with phono leads every once in a while...
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I had a quick Google after posting, I guess playing games is why I've not noticed it as much.
I must be the least sensitive "enthusiast" ever as i genuinely like the old picture of a plasma. Sadly i only have a couple of old LG Plasmas left due to the sheer age of them (and one of them is a sparkly (dots all over the image) mess in one of the kids playrooms, so i am due to bin that very soon).
For me a plasma was as close as "flat" display ever got to the smooth cinematic look a little like a CRT produces (minus the flicker). Personally i find my newer LCD 4K TV rather harsh by comparison, not that i notice when you actually watch the programme rather than noticing the image as such. The look of a plasma to me is slightly similar to the look (and the reason that i do) run my projector very very slightly out of focus, to smooth the image.
For me a plasma was as close as "flat" display ever got to the smooth cinematic look a little like a CRT produces (minus the flicker). Personally i find my newer LCD 4K TV rather harsh by comparison, not that i notice when you actually watch the programme rather than noticing the image as such. The look of a plasma to me is slightly similar to the look (and the reason that i do) run my projector very very slightly out of focus, to smooth the image.
I have noticed the telecine judder, however I have to say its very subtle in my case and a minor niggle at best.
My previous Samsung F8000 was more noticeable.
Judder is slightly different, that's caused by the mismatch between refresh rates 24hz vs 30/60/120hz.
Comparatively, rtings rate the C9 10/10 for Judder performance
Ah cool. Thanks for clearing that up.
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There's so many terms that sound similar, I find it a bit confusing sometimes.
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You can have my 32" HD "Ready" TV I have up in the loft if you like, 720p and bezels bigger than the screen
My old Hannspree was like that. I bought it around 15 years ago and it was a bargain of the time if i remember. My parents still had a 27" CRT in the sitting room so i felt very superior! It then went to various houses i lived in with mates, and when i moved in with my wife i left it with them. As they grew up and bought houses one of them actually took it with them and i think it's still in his spare room
I replaced my 8 year old 1080p LCD with a 55CX last month.
There's nothing feature wise that would ever make me upgrade. Resolution, refresh rate, IQ....it's not going to be noticeably bettered...beyond spec sheet top trumps.
If you're the sort of person that itches to upgrade every year, you'll find a reason to do it....each to their own.
There's nothing feature wise that would ever make me upgrade. Resolution, refresh rate, IQ....it's not going to be noticeably bettered...beyond spec sheet top trumps.
If you're the sort of person that itches to upgrade every year, you'll find a reason to do it....each to their own.
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8K panels are here, and mainstream is on the horizon. I can see 8K panels being "mainstream" within 5 years personally.
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Personally, I don't. 1080 > 4k was a huge bump in clarity. 4k > 8k is an insane bump in bandwidth required for not a lot more clarity in most use cases. It was 2012 when the first 4k TV's started to surface, and 4k is still far from mainstream now.
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I'm another one still using a 42'' Panasonic plasma from 2009.
Modern OLEDs and even LCDs are obviously far superior in many ways but when they aren't there to compare with, the plasma still looks fine today.
I imagine it will be the same for OLEDs in 10 years time. I can't see technology moving on enough that picture will look significantly worse than what's available.
Modern OLEDs and even LCDs are obviously far superior in many ways but when they aren't there to compare with, the plasma still looks fine today.
I imagine it will be the same for OLEDs in 10 years time. I can't see technology moving on enough that picture will look significantly worse than what's available.
My pioneer 50" Kuro plasma in my living room is about 14 years old and the picture is still pretty good.
Yes it not up todays OLED picture levels but it still great for just being used for a Living room TV
Am hoping my 2 year old Sony 65" AF9 OLED is going to last around the same amount of time (or am hoping i get at lest 10 years out of it
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Think the only time that really happens is like when they change connections like going from 21 pin Scart sockets to HDMI inputs etc
The same with PC monitors going from Component connections > VGA > DVI > Displayport > Etc
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Is say its the other bits that go obsolete for those reasons. Vhs player for instance, if all they could output was start or composite, you'd struggle to connect it these days.
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Still rocking my Sony Bravia KDL-55W905A 1080p TV. Got it 7 years ago. For picture quality in my eyes it's still great. I don't have a ps5 or anything else 4k and can't see myself upgrading unless this TV goes faulty. I can't even say I've really paid much attention to 4k bar a few seconds walking past a TV shops windows.