Can someone define raw as well?
Something with the ride quality of an S-Line Audi, but without the mediocre handling and softly tuned engine

Can someone define raw as well?
*snip* I did also start by looking at DC5's but I can't really justify the silly insurance costs on one *snip*
To be fair all Hondas are ****e rust buckets. Buy a proper car![]()
'ello ! ... I currently own a '04 Honda Civic type S,
I'm 19, and have (nearly) 2 years experience & no claims...
The inner chav within me is dying to add some modifcations ( exhaust, induction kit, bigger alloys... the usual chavvy stuff! )
The only thing putting me off is the dreaded insurance@) Anyone had any experience insuring a lightly modded civic, at my age?! or does anyone have an idea of the (rough) addition to my insurance for simple mods & if i'd actually get insured. ( insurance is currently 1.25k, ish )
Thanks a lot.
I'm 27 as well and have been getting quotes of about 1900. Postcode is NE1 with 3 years NCB 4 in March and an SP50 (no ban just 3pts) I will have to give Sky/A-Plan a ring though. Would 7k be too much of a dog of a DC5?
In much the same way the Evo went then. It had to grow up at some point. Can someone define raw as well?
In before Jeremy Clarksons quotes about rear beam suspension.
Also agree you cannot compare the CRZ with anything 'performance'.
Baring in mind that the DC5 is nearing 12 years old, £7k should get you one in a great condition. I am looking to sell mine in the next few months (52-plate), it is low mileage in an excellent condition and I hope to get ~ £7500 for it.
The trouble with most insurers is that they don't actually recognise the car since it was only available as a grey import, and their prices reflect that.
Yay, standard vs modified time. Best go get a video of the turbo Bitch to show you can't compare a Lamborghini to an FN2.
Spoons CRZ runs 150BHP and road tyres, suspension mods.
I know it is slightly unfair but the Type R does stand for racing after all.
But you would know the CRZ has a stiffer body shell than the Type R and the shortest gear throw of any Honda made save for the NSX and S2K.
It also weighs a good 200KG lighter in stock form.
At the end of the day, the Hybrid sends the Type R packing which is pretty hilarious.
Yeah the spoon one was remapped, had Spoon suspension, exhaust, and other bits, also shed 200lbs.
It's impressive they took the hybrid to that level but I bet it would cost a lot to do it!
Would like to see the Spoon FN2 v the Spoon CRZ.
Then again, that CRZ would send a lot of hatches packing in that form.
Not seen the Spoon FN2.
I want Spoon bits for my car over Mugen parts tbh. Cheaper and more "proven" than Mugen. Do love the Mugen kit though.
Say what you want against the CR-Z it isn't a type R wannabe. It is a good looking eco car to chill around in.
The EP3 delivers a rawer driving experience than the FN2 which is what a type R is all about.
I like the CRZ but at the same time it defines Honda's current state of play, a disapointment to what most were hoping was going to be something special
As for the FN2 for me it should be the Type-S and the Type-R should have been the model above it with more power and much less refined, I dont really give a monkeys if it says Type-R all over the FN2 I dont like the badges they iritate me I bought it because its the last of the 4 cylinder high revving engines its a jap marque and its fun to drive whilst being comfy with kit all the same reasons I bought my CTS