Type R and VTEC owners

ChrisD. · 9 Feb 2012 at 13:10

NathWraith said:
I am confused. Was looking at RJK's car the other night and he was determined they were xenons.

They looked identical to my car, which does have xenons. I know the difference between a HID kit and xenons before anyone says!

AFAIK they are projectors only. I had two facelift EP3's and they were both projectors.

loltim · 9 Feb 2012 at 13:11

MilanoChris said:
I had two facelift EP3's and they were both Facelifts.

just checking... were they both facelifts?

R220 · 9 Feb 2012 at 13:14

i remember looking around lots of face lifts couple years back when i had my pre face lift and they all had projector head lights, to the untrained eye they can appear to look i suppose like xenons

NathWraith · 9 Feb 2012 at 13:26

Right, done a bit of reading. they are HIDs with self levelling motors in projector housings.

I think the wording "xenon" is thrown around quite freely as it sounds cooler than "HID" to car manufacturers.

loltim · 9 Feb 2012 at 13:31

my facelift didn't have xenon/HID's.

DAIR · 9 Feb 2012 at 13:36

rjkoneill said:
the JDM civics look practically identical to the EUDM.

and a facelift EU ep3 looks infinitely superior.

I can appreciate the performance increase and tweaks on the JDM model but I just don't think there is that much appreciable difference.

Indeed. Still hot though.

Please forgive!

ChrisD. · 9 Feb 2012 at 13:41

loltim said:
just checking... were they both facelifts?

lol whoops

NathWraith said:
Right, done a bit of reading. they are HIDs with self levelling motors in projector housings.

I think the wording "xenon" is thrown around quite freely as it sounds cooler than "HID" to car manufacturers.

They are not HIDs, there is no ballast at all. They are normal H4 bulbs in a projector style cluster. They don't have self levelling motors either, the ATR is the only UK Type R that does iirc.

Relentless81 · 9 Feb 2012 at 13:42

I still to this day do not understand the difference between the terms xenon and HID

R220 · 9 Feb 2012 at 13:46

MilanoChris said:
They are not HIDs, there is no ballast at all. They are normal H4 bulbs in a projector style cluster. They don't have self levelling motors either, the ATR is the only UK Type R that does iirc.

Agreed, if they are hid then its an after market kit

NathWraith · 9 Feb 2012 at 14:28

MilanoChris said:
lol whoops

They are not HIDs, there is no ballast at all. They are normal H4 bulbs in a projector style cluster. They don't have self levelling motors either, the ATR is the only UK Type R that does iirc.

So they aren't xenon lights and aren't HIDs. (xenon is also a HID to make things confusing)

What are they?

My Supra had projector headlights but looked nothing like the EP3 "xenons" and they utilised H4 bulbs.

They look like xenon likes, where they use xenon gas or not, it is what they look like. Looking like a xenon would mean they would also be HID, as it would be a high intensity discharge light.

Can you understand why none of this makes any sense?

Apparently factory HIDs were an option, your cars mustn't of had this option then?

loltim · 9 Feb 2012 at 14:33

NathWraith said:
So they aren't xenon lights and aren't HIDs. (xenon is also a HID to make things confusing)

What are they?

Halogen!

NathWraith · 9 Feb 2012 at 14:38

here are two examples from autotrader of xenon equipped models

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201203442243670/sort/priceasc/usedcars/price-to/10000/price-from/3000/model/civic/make/honda/postcode/st73px/radius/200/keywords/type_r/page/15?logcode=p

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201204443951783/sort/priceasc/usedcars/price-to/10000/price-from/3000/model/civic/make/honda/keywords/type_r/radius/200/postcode/st73px/page/21?logcode=p

A quote from wikipedia

2004 saw this successful CTR updated with many improvements - revised EPS with quicker steering, revised suspension settings, projector headlamps (JDM came equipped with halogens only while the EDM came with an option for HIDs with leveling motors), lighter clutch and flywheel assembly etc.; based on Honda literature, this facelifted (FL) model was targeted at addressing customers' and critics' feedback such as understeer on the limit (due to the front Macpherson strut setup), numb steering response and lack of low end torque.

So they never had xenons at all and all of the above is wrong? Or am I missing something here.

ChrisD. · 9 Feb 2012 at 14:58

I'm fairly certain Xenon's or HIDs are NOT a factory option on UK cars, only the JDM.

The adverts above will be generic dealer copy and paste ads.

I bought two Facelifts brand new, only options I had to choose from were:

A/C
Fogs
Sat Nav

loltim · 9 Feb 2012 at 15:07

god knows then, but if it was a factory option, why would there be a guide on CTRO on how to retro fit them, which includes modifying the projector lense?

http://www.civictype-r.co.uk/index....ow-to-guides/57-hid-conversions-facelift-ep3s

ChrisD. · 9 Feb 2012 at 15:11

It's not a factory option, never has been.

loltim · 9 Feb 2012 at 15:13

MilanoChris said:
It's not a factory option, never has been.

That's what I thought.. odd.
The only R that had xenons from the factory, or so i thought, was the JDM DC2 Type Rx and the ATR.

Muffin` · 9 Feb 2012 at 15:23

'98 Spec had them not just the Rx

loltim · 9 Feb 2012 at 15:27

Jonnycoupe · 9 Feb 2012 at 15:37

NathWraith said:
bar, beam you knew what I meant

Indeed, two very different concepts. Hence the clarification. Torsion Bar might have actually afforded some B road compliance

Muffin` · 9 Feb 2012 at 15:45

loltim said:

Bought a Civic yet?