UEFA Champions League/Europa League 1/2/3 April *** Spoilers ***
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Surprise surprise
Utd played with spirit and some guile and defended for all their worth amd countered when they could.
Nearly every team wil be out passed by BM
Points towards Barca's attempts against an arguably worse BM this time last year
I'm not sure what your point is. I never claimed Utd set up wrong or performed badly. I commented on your claim that Utd performed like a top quality team.
Top quality teams won't be nearly as defensive as what Utd were. City weren't and if and when Barca, Real or Atletico play Bayern, they won't be either.
Hernandez will still have a decent chance of getting on one of the many hoofs United do if he follows the ball
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Makes you wonder about the standard of play between the premier league and bundesliga, especially if bayern are dominating their league but are unable to dominate a struggling United....
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That decision was BS. United were attacking the Bayern half in the second half and one of the United players dipped to head a ball and the Bayern player hooked it over his head and his foot was far higher than that.
My point was that even one of thebest teams in the last 5-10 years was obliterated over two legs by trying to play the same way as BM
Very few teams get a well earned draw from that BM team, but its not a surprise you being disparaging
Bayern were poor United should have won that, 70% possession and all they do is pass the ball around in the middle of the park, United just defended narrowly and packed the middle and Bayern were as clueless as Guardiola's Barca were against Cheslea.
At least when United got the ball they showed some intent to score. Welbeck's disallowed goal was a typical European decision and he should have took Neuer on when he was 1v1.
So much for the United squad being rubbish.
At least when United got the ball they showed some intent to score. Welbeck's disallowed goal was a typical European decision and he should have took Neuer on when he was 1v1.
So much for the United squad being rubbish.
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I'm not being disparaging about your performance or result, just your peculiar claim that you played like a top quality team. Utd played like an inferior side because that's what they are. That's not being critical of Utd generally or their performance today, it's just a simple statement. Top quality sides don't park the bus and play the percentages.
I have no problem with people saying that's the best way to set up against Bayern, although the team that's had the most success against Bayern in the last few years is Dortmund and they go for their throat rather than park the bus. But then again Dortmund were a top quality side and this Utd side isn't
edit: put it this way, I don't think anybody said Fulham played like a top quality side when they got a draw at OT with very similar tactics.
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Was a decent game tonight between Bayern and utd, surprised...actually no im ****ing shocked that Utd came away with a draw but that was a fair result imho.
Bayern lots of possession ie Barca #2 but without Messi...but couldnt seem to break down Utd's defence at times. Whereas Bayern defensively were there for the taking even when we played them in the last round we had our chances but sadly relying on le donkey aka Giroud was never going to win us the tie lol.
Thought Utd played well enough to get a draw although Robben could have easily had a goal or 2.
One thing is for certain the second leg at Bayern is going to be good game, unlucky that Bayern wont have Schweinstiger available as he is banned for the next game.
Bayern lots of possession ie Barca #2 but without Messi...but couldnt seem to break down Utd's defence at times. Whereas Bayern defensively were there for the taking even when we played them in the last round we had our chances but sadly relying on le donkey aka Giroud was never going to win us the tie lol.
Thought Utd played well enough to get a draw although Robben could have easily had a goal or 2.
One thing is for certain the second leg at Bayern is going to be good game, unlucky that Bayern wont have Schweinstiger available as he is banned for the next game.
I don't think you can read too much into it... dominating a league over an entire season is a totally different thing to a cup game away from home. One could turn that argument on its head and say MU dominated the EPL last season yet got turned over in the away leg against Olympiakos... makes you wonder about the standard of paly between the premier league and greek league!
Thats where you are going wrong
You are therefore comparing Utd to BM in the Fulham game, where no one ever suggested that, not even close
Utd were playing at a completely different level tonight, a lot better than you want to give credit for
I'm not wrong, it's my opinion and yes I am comparing Utd to Fulham.
Utd looked to flood their box, allowing Bayern to dominate the game and rely on the odd counter attack and/or set-plays. Pretty similar to how Fulham played. Again, that's not a criticism - had Utd played any other way they'd have likely been hammered but it's not the performance of a top quality side, it's the exact opposite imo. Top sides don't allow the other side to have complete control of the game and rely on them not clicking.
Really kind of sad to see what pep has done to Bayern. They were such an exciting team. Now, awesome defensively (you cant score without the ball) but afraid to do anything with the ball.
I thought wellbeck had a decent game but to try and chip the biggest keeper i've ever seen...
In the return leg I would love to see Kagawa for giggs and either Nani or Januzaj for Valencia. Jones for fellaini is a given. Not sure about Evra. He is much better with the ball but Buttner did ok today.
As for Moyes he didn't get this right. It's not tactics to do what we did. And starting Giggs was mindless.
I thought wellbeck had a decent game but to try and chip the biggest keeper i've ever seen...
In the return leg I would love to see Kagawa for giggs and either Nani or Januzaj for Valencia. Jones for fellaini is a given. Not sure about Evra. He is much better with the ball but Buttner did ok today.
As for Moyes he didn't get this right. It's not tactics to do what we did. And starting Giggs was mindless.
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It's good to see the scousers out in force!
better tie down your belongings or they go missing
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Lahm and Thiago/kroos to play in midfield? Don't think Thiago will be fit for the return leg.
We have a fighting chance.
We have a fighting chance.
The bitterness is oozing out of this thread
For a team that are no longer a threat to anyone
It isn't bitterness, simply everyone hates United
Thiago was reported to be out for 6 weeks from last weekend, but I guess we wont know for sure until next Tuesday night / Wednesday morning (if he has been training) - surely it has to be unlikely though.
Actually Giggs was a good call imo - he has the mental toughness and the guile needed in these kinds of games and is more likely of any of Utd's CM's to find a defence splitting pass (or even to try one). Given his age I would be surprised to see him in the 2nd leg, even if it is only a strain.
Kagawa did brilliantly when he came on and deserves the start in Germany, but dont think starting Giggs was anywhere near as bad as you think.
Hard call between Evra and Buttner (depending on what caused Buttner to be subbed last night of course) for the return, before last night I was expecting the youngster to be completely obliterated all night but he stood up to be counted and did very well for himself. While Evra would be a brilliant attacking addition, would be very concerned about his legs not being able to contend with Robben for anywhere near 90 mins.
All depends on who is fit defensively as to whether Jones is in the back four or as a defensive midfield position (which he did brilliantly vs Real last season). Cant see Rio being available in 7 days time (whether he will have recovered in time given his age / legs) and also who is required to play vs Newcastle at the weekend.
Nani might come on as a sub for 5 -10 minutes but he cant be match fit to be a starter. Even that might be considered a waste of a sub. Januzaj is a little less defensively minded than Valencia (who imo did well against Ribery /Alba) although from an attacking outlet pov was a little wanting.
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