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Just ignore it? It's one post among hundreds. Be the bigger man.
UEFA Euro 2012 - Group D - ** spoilers ** (England, France, Sweden, Ukraine)
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Just ignore it? It's one post among hundreds. Be the bigger man.
I'm from northern Ireland, so I'll hardly want England to win, but someone said above it makes you come across as a **** or something, it really doesn't, nor is wanting another team to lose 'trolling as he put it'.
Also surely there's more Manu fans than anyone else Robbo
?The difference being is that Spain are a much better and solid side than what we have at the moment. Of course they were nuts to not start with a striker but then looking at Torres and how his form is, i dont blame them...personally Spain should have subbed Llorente instead really as Torres had a couple of chances to nail the game shut. Cant say that England had chances to nail the game shut, especially moreso after France equalised.
Fact is Spain can play with just about any formation and they will still beat most teams on their day...against Italy they werent at their best but they had plenty of chances to win it...England didnt have many chances to beat France, far too negative for my liking. Thats the difference between Spain and England.
I'm from northern Ireland, so I'll hardly want England to win, but someone said above it makes you come across as a **** or something, it really doesn't, nor is wanting another team to lose 'trolling as he put it'.
Also surely there's more Manu fans than anyone else Robbo
Shame, I always want the UK teams the win.
they may not be special, but they have players who can do something special, at the moment our main hope from what i've seen in recent games is young, but that relies on us getting him far enough up the field to do something
.i'm trying to look on the brightside and say we can't play much worse, i know its just the first game, but we need to show an improvement against sweden.
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All these people bashing England's performance make me laugh. Saying we were **** and it was the same old rubbish. What exactly were you expecting?
i don't think it was the same old rubbish, we did ok in spells, held the formation quite well aside.
the main problem was getting any sort attacking movement going because all the players were behind the ball.
as mentioned before, i think we could have maybe done better if chamberlain and young had stayed up front when we were defending corners, hopefully something will be learnt from the game and we'll see an improvement against sweden.
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It's all over now, the TV pundits started banging on about how England have nothing to worry about, won't be threatened etc. etc. which means we're pretty much guaranteed to lose both remaining matches
Was hilarious listening to the coverage on the BBC during the second game, UKR-SWE. Was wondering if they watched the same game as I did? Yes France didn't produce anything special but the dominated the game, controlled the play and pace. England, as Jose would say, parked the bus and it made for a dreadful game (for the neutral). Yes, it's a decent result and a good point but having to go into the final game and probably need a point against the hosts isn't going to be easy.
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They have probably more fans supporting a single team, obviously they don't make up >50% of the forum
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Think I missed that game, what was the final score?
Hehe, I meant SWE! Must have been thinking too much about tonights game.
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I completely agree with you. The performance wasn't without it's issues, but was definitely a step in the right direction. I was just bemused by the amount of people slating it, as if they expected us to play amazingly. Surely they'd been watching England for the past few months?
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I am normally one of the first people to tell friends or other people England are nothing special and not to expect much from them or pin too much hope on them doing well. However, yesterday as you said, was a definite improvement and a step in the right direction. I'll support them as long as they put in a reasonable effort, and I'll slate them if they are performing poor too.
disappointed with how deep we defended against france
gerrard/parker way to deep for the goal, should have been on the edge of the area, perhaps a little on lescott/terry to push them out, next to no french players in the box but we had 4/5 england players :s
really don't understand why we didn't leave young and chamberlain upfield when we were defending corners, we just seemed to hoof the ball upfield with no one there.
hopefully gerrard won't keep coming so deep for the ball next game, leave that to parker and let him get it to him.
not sure if the french had decided to work on johnson but he went missing a few times leaving so much space and we got lucky that ribery's final ball wasn't to good as it could have been.
seems like ibra has brought his shooting boots so i hope we close him down quicker when we play sweden.
unlikely as it is if ukraine manage a draw with france we need to beat sweden cos i think the ukraine support could help them in the final game against us
The French overload the left, Evra and Ribert both push forward and benzema tends to drift over to the left. When oxlaide chamberlain pushed on it left Johnson exposed at the back. We should beat sweden and Ukraine.
Also plus 1 for the post above me- there were a lot more positives from that performance than weve seen in a long time.
those who say Gerard should push forward more against top quality have a short memory. Capello used Gerard as a striking outlet from midfield against the Germans in the last world cup and we all remember what happened in that game, sure he got on the score sheet but the defence was over exposed when Capello's butt buddy Barry gave the ball away for the umpteenth time
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I was pleased Welbeck had an ok match. Some of the comments I've seen about him in the past have been ridiculous.
I thought England looked more organised and settled than I've seen in years. The attacking play and possession left something to be desired but Roy has them well drilled if nothing else.
I thought England looked more organised and settled than I've seen in years. The attacking play and possession left something to be desired but Roy has them well drilled if nothing else.
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So... about Shevchenko. Great player, good goals.
The question is, he said' 'i feel 10 years younger'
I always worry when i hear this. Does it mean that he is on TRT? He mentioned injuries before the tournament, maybe he had TRT to help recover and it has had the added effect of more vitality?
Quote from a fighter who did TRT.
Rampage Jackson.
Btw im not a shevchenko hater, i met him before an england/ukrain game at wembley along with the ukraine national team some years ago and was trying to get him to move to UTD (pre AC MILAN)
The question is, he said' 'i feel 10 years younger'
I always worry when i hear this. Does it mean that he is on TRT? He mentioned injuries before the tournament, maybe he had TRT to help recover and it has had the added effect of more vitality?
Quote from a fighter who did TRT.
Rampage Jackson.
Btw im not a shevchenko hater, i met him before an england/ukrain game at wembley along with the ukraine national team some years ago and was trying to get him to move to UTD (pre AC MILAN)
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Ox played on the left, ahead of Cole, who he did infact leave to deal with defending on his own far too often, however, Ox leaving Johnson exposed simply didn't happen.
As for the rest, Gerrard pushing forward had NO bearing at all on Barry making huge game losing mistakes.
You have Gerrard forward, and Barry who gave the ball away, and you decide Gerrard being back would have prevented that, it wouldn't, not playing Barry who is a mistake machine, incapable at the highest level and slow as hell is what cost us.
You can not win a tournament 9 out of 10 times by defending only. You have to get forward and support and most importantly when Gerrard wasn't getting forward at all, as in out of the first third of the pitch, we were under constant pressure and this led to a goal.
I don't know where all the praise comes from for the GErrard performance, one cross for the goal and he's motm, Parker was much better defensively playing almost the same role all game. For the goal Gerrard was 10 yards out of position, too deep, and crucial like a big vagina, he decided to turn and jump OUT OF THE WAY of the shot. Don't turn your back, watch the ball put your foot or body inbetween ball and the goal and there won't be a goal. Parker also did badly as he ran across and also just got out of the way of the ball. Between them they both made the same mistake, too deep, into the back 4 rather than being a distinct separate midfield defensive line, and they both missed a pretty easy block by jumping out the way and in doing so gave Hart no chance to see the shot till too late.