Poll: UEFA Euro 2020 Final Italy v England ** spoilers ** [Sunday 11th July 2021]

[wildman]

He certainly isn't building the confidence of players like Grealish who he chooses not to play. Or building confidence in our strikers who he keeps on a tight leash so they can track back and defend

Sure he might be their best mate in the dressing room, but they should be "together" and motivated by themselves. It's the Euros/WC. You shouldn't need your manager to pull the team together or motivate them, that should be a given.

I'm sorry but Southgate lives or dies by his tactics, and he's a bad tactician.

basically he is an English version of mourhino but with no trophies in his cabinet...........................

 

[FoxEye]

Completely agree, he had some good games, last night he didn't, but then most of the team didn't perform apart from the defence who have been pretty much rock solid throughout the tournament, if I remember he made the goal for Sterling in one of the previous matches. I thought Mount was far worse, he was virtually invisible last night.

Mount was awful.. Should have been off for Grealish after the first half of normal time. As I recall he just kept giving the ball away and didn't do much of anything.

 

[HangTime]

As the dust begins to settle on the tournament I'm not really sure what to think of England.
Beforehand I said England had possibly their worst squad since 1992 but on reflection I might have been a bit harsh. I was unconvinced by the CBs but they've done a decent job. We were definitely less fragile than I expected.
Some of the less experienced players like Grealish and Saka offered a creative spark.
Phillips and Rice on paper sound a million miles from the sort of CMs we could put out over the past 25 years but gave a reasonable account of themselves.
Southgate I like as a person, I like the way he picks a team for a specific game and isn't afraid to make the controversial calls like subbing off Grealish. I'm not 100% convinced but then the reality is England were unbeaten in this tournament which we haven't been able to say for a while (compare to WC'18 where England were massively hyped, yet no team in the competition lost more games than we did!). I also don't know who I would appoint instead of him.

Looking ahead to Qatar, you'd imagine much of the squad will stay together.... TAA to come back in (perhaps Walker or Trippier start to fade), Henderson maybe put out to pasture but unlike most squads we haven't got many players at the end of their careers, only those 3 over the age of 28. Obviously over the next 18 months certain players might burst onto the scene, if Bamford has another good year he will be hard to ignore, plus potential injuries of course.

edit: one thing did just come to mind, with the penalties, is as I said before the squad was trimmed down JWP would've been worth having. I mean the Rashford/Sancho subs in 120th minute were blatantly for pens, so if you're going to throw someone for that ideally you want a specialist. In a 26 man squad you can kind of afford that, heck leave him out of all the group stage squads if you want, although it would be a bit of an ask to have a player's first kick of the tournament be a penalty in the final

 

[Rroff]

Urgh my Facebook feed this morning - granted the way Saka was pulled down was pretty bad but the mean spiritedness in general shown towards Italy and some of the racial undertones aimed at some of the England players, etc. is just shameful.

 

[DrToffnar]

He certainly isn't building the confidence of players like Grealish who he chooses not to play. Or building confidence in our strikers who he keeps on a tight leash so they can track back and defend

Sure he might be their best mate in the dressing room, but they should be "together" and motivated by themselves. It's the Euros/WC. You shouldn't need your manager to pull the team together or motivate them, that should be a given.

I'm sorry but Southgate lives or dies by his tactics, and he's a bad tactician.

I somewhat agree but at the same time when you're pooling so many unblooded players with big egos together for the first time you need to pull on the leash from time to time. You'd like to think they've all been tested for Qatar now and that the line up in Southgates mind is halfway to being built already.

 

[RobHu]

He certainly isn't building the confidence of players like Grealish who he chooses not to play. Or building confidence in our strikers who he keeps on a tight leash so they can track back and defend

Sure he might be their best mate in the dressing room, but they should be "together" and motivated by themselves. It's the Euros/WC. You shouldn't need your manager to pull the team together or motivate them, that should be a given.

I'm sorry but Southgate lives or dies by his tactics, and he's a bad tactician.

You can't know that, lol. Grealish might completely understand and agree that Southgate plans to bring him on later against tired legs. Previous tournaments and stories coming out of the England camp tells us that the togetherness of the team has at times been a big problem.

I'm definitely not Southgate's biggest fan but I do think some people on here are being very harsh towards him.

 

[DrToffnar]

You can't know that, lol. Grealish might completely understand and agree that Southgate plans to bring him on later against tired legs. Previous tournaments and stories coming out of the England camp tells us that the togetherness of the team has at times been a big problem.

I'm definitely not Southgate's biggest fan but I do think some people on here are being very harsh towards him.

Aye. I really, really hope he doesn't resign or get forced out. I think if he learnt to be a little more malleable with regards mid game management he could really bring it home for us.

 

[ik9000]

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https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1414501837181489152?s=20

well that's only going to end badly for Natalie isn't it. How to incur the wrath of the self-righteous twitterverse 101.

 

[FoxEye]

You can't know that, lol. Grealish might completely understand and agree that Southgate plans to bring him on later against tired legs. Previous tournaments and stories coming out of the England camp tells us that the togetherness of the team has at times been a big problem.

I'm definitely not Southgate's biggest fan but I do think some people on here are being very harsh towards him.

The momentum was already lost by the time Southgate made his first sub, at 70 mins.

We already sat back and given them the upper hand.

Bringing on Grealish with 20 minutes of ET left was too late.

Southgate is too tactically inflexible. He has the same approach to every game. When it doesn't work he has no answers. He sticks to his formula, rigidly.

And what more do I need to say about his tactical masterstroke of bringing on Rashford and Sancho for the penalties?

 

[Jono8]

I don't think anyone can deny that after 20 mins we basically sat back and had no intent. We have a younger, fresher team, too, who had played less minutes.

It's really quite simple, if you play defensively aiming to get penalties, you should be on the hook for a penalty loss.

Yep. It is fair enough if you want to protect a lead for 5 or 10 mins before the end of the game. However doing it for most of the rest of the game is just stupid.

Even if the opposition don't create much, you can bet on at least one scrappy goal getting through which is exactly what happened.

I think we should have pushed on more as it was clear we could cause them problems.

 

[Kirby Wurm]

I'd say it was one of the more entertaining tournaments precisely because some of those teams didn't do as well as expected.

Definitely, so many high scoring games and upsets made it unpredictable and exciting.

 

[Quinnaay]

Anyone can win a bounce game. If the best team won every game then what would be the point of watching.

The point is England had an easy run in with only 1 real test. Spain not topping their group means nothing they had a poor start but we're getting better with each game. The Italy - Spain game was the real final.

It was a pretty boring euros and no not because England got to the final but because hardly anyone turned up. France, Belgium and Germany were no shows. Spain awful at the beginning. Netherlands were poor. A lot of teams underperformed allowing others like Denmark and England to over achieve.

The easy run comment is just tripe. You can only play what's Infront of you, and if we wanted to we could have purposely come second in the group and avoided the Germans.

 

[The_One]

The easy run comment is just tripe. You can only play what's Infront of you, and if we wanted to we could have purposely come second in the group and avoided the Germans.

we need to go back across euro and world cup winners and check their routes to the final because easy routes don’t count remember with sonny's logic

 

[RobHu]

The momentum was already lost by the time Southgate made his first sub, at 70 mins.

We already sat back and given them the upper hand.

Bringing on Grealish with 20 minutes of ET left was too late.

Southgate is too tactically inflexible. He has the same approach to every game. When it doesn't work he has no answers. He sticks to his formula, rigidly.

And what more do I need to say about his tactical masterstroke of bringing on Rashford and Sancho for the penalties?

He made changes to the team almost every game this tournament. He's not inflexible in that regard.

Fact is if Rashford and Sancho scored you'd all be praising that decision.

I disagree with his decision to go full game management after scoring so early (particularly after we've been through this once already), everything else is just a hindsight 20-20 thing.

 

[RoboCod]

It's telling when the Italian vibe appears to be "**** England!" as opposed to "hurray well done Italy!"

Sad.

 

[FoxEye]

He made changes to the team almost every game this tournament. He's not inflexible in that regard.

Fact is if Rashford and Sancho scored you'd all be praising that decision.

I disagree with his decision to go full game management after scoring so early (particularly after we've been through this once already), everything else is just a hindsight 20-20 thing.

No, that's not a fact. I've always said Southgate makes his subs too late on. Normally he doesn't make any until like the 85th minute or something daft, lol.

Look at how Italy has used their subs. First at 54 mins in the final. Before that they weren't afraid to bring on fresh legs much earlier than Southgate ever does.

In the Spain game Italy turned it around with their subs.

Southgate also has a nasty habit of taking off the players who are playing well, and leaving the ones who are struggling on the pitch!!

e: Btw to quote myself from an earlier post: "I hate penalties. You may as well toss a coin."

I want Southgate to use most of our subs in normal time not play for penalties.

 

[Rroff]

It's telling when the Italian vibe appears to be "**** England!" as opposed to "hurray well done Italy!"

Sad.

The mean spiritedness shown in general by people is disappointing to see including the booing at the national anthems. We sadly seem to be going backwards as a civilisation.

Think I'm gonna take a break from this whole thing it is quite depressing even just the little things like all the litter left after last night.

 

[Sui]

No, that's not a fact. I've always said Southgate makes his subs too late on. Normally he doesn't make any until like the 85th minute or something daft, lol.

That's quite inaccurate, I suggest you go and look at England's match history under Southgate!

 

[Robbo]

Fact is if Rashford and Sancho scored you'd all be praising that decision.

For me this is irrelevant as we should not be playing for penalties. Penalties are a mixed bag at the best of times, the toss of a coin (in England's case with the pressure, probably worse odds than that).

 

[tommybhoy]

Almost everyone in here is talking about sitting back, you couldn't get near the ball from the 17th minute onwards.

The Italians outplayed, outpassed, outclassed England and controlled most of the game.

Even Cheillini was bombing up the park all the way to the final whistle, only one team was trying to get the ball in the net, as the Italians overpowered almost every area of the park.

If Englands defence wasn't actually decent, it would have been a whole different outcome on the night.

Instead of Southgate this and that, you should give more credit to the best team of the tournament by a long stretch.

Forza Italia!

 

[FoxEye]

The mean spiritedness shown in general by people is disappointing to see including the booing at the national anthems. We sadly seem to be going backwards as a civilisation.

Think I'm gonna take a break from this whole thing it is quite depressing even just the little things like all the litter left after last night.

If the Italians (and people in general) had an idea of the English as being xenophobic, racist and ignorant, you wouldn't have to look all that far to see how they might have got that impression. Two wrongs and all that, but sections of the English society consistently let us down and radiate these "qualities" with no shame whatsoever.

 

[ik9000]

If the Italians (and people in general) had an idea of the English as being xenophobic, racist and ignorant, you wouldn't have to look all that far to see how they might have got that impression. Two wrongs and all that, but sections of the English society consistently let us down and radiate these "qualities" with no shame whatsoever.

There is a distinct yob class of football fan and I despise the attitudes and ignorance that goes with it. The only good thing about losing is those morons can't bleat on about how great we are, and how we deserve it, as if it's our divine right or the like.